[airhead]

I've heard that the shortage is due to people buying up all they can get and hoarding it.

Why are they hoarding cheap FMJ?

If it really is the beginning of the gun ban or the start of the next revolution or the EOTWAWKI, I'm stocking up on JHP. Yea, it costs more, but when I want to shoot someone, I want them to stay shot.

Yea, I want some range ammo to practice with, but if the gun grabbers get their way, range ammo will be useless - there will be nowhere to practice with your forbidden evil gun.

Or are they all wanting to be able to say "I've go 10k rounds stored up in my bunker". Yea, but they are for punching holes in paper targets, not people or animals....

I'm confused - as usual.

 

[Magna750]

why would you no use it . It does go threw cretin things better then HP do.
I think the hording just FMJ is nuts you need a little of everything . but if you only had to use FMJ or throw Rocks well?

 

[capngeo]

If FMJ is useless....... why does the military use it? Well OK the Geneva Convention is why, but I digress... If a round of .223 FMJ plows all the way through your chest, and makes the same hole as a screwdriver would, front to back, are you going to laugh it off?

Agreed 10K rounds is fairly pointless unless the plan is to re-sell when it is 10x what you paid. I have no more than I can carry, which amounts to about 1K/caliber.

I saw this coming a long time back, and sold off all my odd size guns and now only have 9mm, .223, and .22LR to look for. If I want to go to the range, I look for whatever I plan to shoot that day, and leave my SHTF ammo alone.

 

[Paladin]

I've wondered about this some too. For self defense as we think about it now a JHP would seem a better choice.

But if the bottom falls out there is nothing wrong with using FMJ. Yes they would go through people but if dealing with rioting or gang violence that may not be a bad feature.

As long as things are the way they are I will not be using my FMJ stock for self defense. But I have the other stockpiled so who knows what will happen in the long run.

 

[Devilfrog]

I stock up on both, but primarily fmj for my rifles. I use it mostly for the range but in a shtf scenario it will work just find in dispatching problems. There have been millions of people who are now deceased who would argue the FMJ that ended their time with the living worked just fine.

 

[airhead]

I stock up on both, but primarily fmj for my rifles. I use it mostly for the range but in a shtf scenario it will work just find in dispatching problems. There have been millions of people who are now deceased who would argue the FMJ that ended their time with the living worked just fine.

I agree that hydrodynamic shock from a fmj rifle round can be deadly. Not to mention shot placement.

Pistol rounds generally do not posses the energy required to generate hydrodynamic shock. With a pistol, you are relying on the wound channel and major organ damage (shot placement), both of which are greatly reduced by using FMJ over JHP.

SHTF and I'll be using whatever I have available. But I'd rather that if I have to shoot someone, they stop doing whatever it was that made me shoot them - as I'd rather they fall down and no longer function.

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What I'm wondering:

Is the bullet grabbing is being done by those that don't know the difference between $10/box ammo (WWB) vs. $24/box ammo (premium SD).

Is WalMarx, etc. creating a shortage by short or not ordering... (kowtowing to the anti-gun lobby)

Are the ammo manufacturers creating a shortage to sell more premium product or pave the way for an across the board price increase.

 

[brownie]

I've heard that the shortage is due to people buying up all they can get and hoarding it.

Why are they hoarding cheap FMJ?

If it really is the beginning of the gun ban or the start of the next revolution or the EOTWAWKI, I'm stocking up on JHP. Yea, it costs more, but when I want to shoot someone, I want them to stay shot.

Yea, I want some range ammo to practice with, but if the gun grabbers get their way, range ammo will be useless - there will be nowhere to practice with your forbidden evil gun.

Or are they all wanting to be able to say "I've go 10k rounds stored up in my bunker". Yea, but they are for punching holes in paper targets, not people or animals....

I'm confused - as usual.

No ammo is "cheap" today relatively speaking.

I've stocked 60K in 9mm ball alone for the sole reason of

1. being able to keep my skills honed for a very long time

2. Supplying private students who fly out here with ammo

3. Buy it now for X amount or buy it later for considerably more [ that saves money if you have the financing to stick it away ].

4. I'll be able to slide out into the desert in areas that haven't seen anyone for decades and shoot all I want.

5. I'll be able to "cache" enough ammo if that becomes important

6. It still puts people down, just not as effectively as street loads in HP

7. I'll have enough ammo in calibers I need to keep my guns up and running if ammo becomes even scarcer.

8. The most important reason of all----- Because if you don't shoot you can't shoot, and I have always run through a lot of ammo every month.

Brownie

 

[airhead]

Brownie, I think your case may be special.. I'm surprised you don't wholesale ammo for your school/classes....

But the average Joe (the guy with a gun tucked in his nightstand) shoots maybe once or twice a year (if that often). Is he the reason that we cannot find ammo?

or is it us? The guys that go to the range once a week or once a month and shoot 50 to 1000 rounds to keep our guns and fingers and skills limber?

There seems to be no shortage of decent or premium SD ammo. I can go to the shooting range and get all that I want. (full retail, but...)

The shortage seems to be in the WWB/Blazer (cheap) range ammo.

 

[brownie]

airhead,

I think one of the main reasons ammo is in short supply is that there are tens of thousands of people buying guns for the first time now and they are buying ammo for those guns.

The shop is up 600% since Nov in gun sales, the ammo is at least that as well. Glock is making 4000 guns a week and running a deficit of 185,000 guns as of last week, falling further behind weekly at this point. All those new gun owners require some ammo.

On top of that, people are probably hoarding/storing more ammo than they usually would and it becomes a cycle of sorts. The harder it is to get, the more they buy when they find it so they don't get stuck without when they want to shoot.

More people applying for their CCW licenses [ we know from this site just one state's dilemma with keeping up with the demand ] who are buying guns and ammo as well.

Couple the above with the nasty rumor that the gov types want to put a 500% tax on ammo somewhere down the road and people will buy it now to save that increase if it happens.

To wholesale ammo to students would require I stock even more than I have as well as stocking calibers I don't have guns for like the 40S+W. It would be an expensive proposition. That 60K of 9mm on hand is my private stock which gets replaced as students need ammo who fly in for the training in lots of 2-3000 rds, though replacing it could be problematic in the future.

Brownie

 

[SuperTrkrE2812]

Airhead, i don't have a problem using fmj as a last resort defensive ammo. I will guarantee that 3 to 5 shots center mass and you will know you have been shot, if you don't go down in 1 second, one more in that hard mellon will convince you to go down fo sho. and not to get back up. I try to keep 1k of fmj on hand for practice and backup, but i only have around 50 to 100 rounds of good sd ammo for my different guns.
I figure if things get that bad out there that i will have to shoot 100 people (multiple guns) that the PoPo will be showing up post haste. If they dont show up by the time my pistols are out of ammo, i guess i will have to break out the long guns. :rolf

 

[mvanlone]

I will be honest. I am hoarding ammo like you would not believe. Why??? Because I cannot get enough. I ONLY buy from walmart since they have the best prices. Today, I bought 750 rounds of 40 cal and I would had bought all the 9mm that I could but the guy in front of me bought it. **** me off too...lol I have been hearing that ammo is going to go WAAAAYYYY Up in price. I want to have 10,000 rounds in .223, 40 cal, 9mm, and 22LR. Once I have 10k in each round, I will stop buying it. The only round that I go shooting with is .22LR. I won't touch the other rounds. I will just store them. Question to some of you people that are hoarding, I have been using 50 Cal cans for storage, what do you guys use to store large amounts of ammo. Also, any of you people that flame people for hoarding, you are just jealous that we can and you can't...lol
:drinks

 

[brownie]

30mm ammo cans
Mortar ammo cans [ they hold 8000 rds of loose 9mm ]
50 cal ammo cans
As well as in they're original cases

Brownie

 

[curtis]

what do you guys use to store large amounts of ammo

30 and 50 caliber ammo cans with dessicant. pretty much mostly fmj because it is mostly military surplus.

 

[mvanlone]

No ammo is "cheap" today relatively speaking.

I've stocked 60K in 9mm ball alone for the sole reason of

1. being able to keep my skills honed for a very long time

2. Supplying private students who fly out here with ammo

3. Buy it now for X amount or buy it later for considerably more [ that saves money if you have the financing to stick it away ].

4. I'll be able to slide out into the desert in areas that haven't seen anyone for decades and shoot all I want.

5. I'll be able to "cache" enough ammo if that becomes important

6. It still puts people down, just not as effectively as street loads in HP

7. I'll have enough ammo in calibers I need to keep my guns up and running if ammo becomes even scarcer.

8. The most important reason of all----- Because if you don't shoot you can't shoot, and I have always run through a lot of ammo every month.

Brownie

Hey Brownie.....when the zombies crawl out of the grounds to feed on the living, can I relocate to where you are? I think I could be a good sidekick. ....LoL

 

[greatdanes]

A lot of what Brownie is seeing in Arizona is also happening in New Mexico. Gun sales - way up. CCW classes - way up. Indoor ranges - mostly full - there was atime you could go to our 14 point indoor range on any day but Friday/Sat and frequently have it to yourself. Now on a Tues/Wed morning (used to be the lite use times) you may find it any where from half full to a 30 minute (or longer) wait - and guess what - all these people are burning ammo. Plus the fear is there, as others have mentioned, of future price increases and (God forbid!!) anti gun ammo taxes. So two big things, future fear and current ammo use. I'v had a waiting order for Natchez Shooting Supply for ammo for a month now, in the past the longest wait I ever had with them was a few days. Things are tight right now, and I don't see a near term improvement. I had 33 spare boxes of .40's and .45's for CCW classes and they went bye bye so fast I could probably use 10 times that amount and still wonder if I had enough now.

 

[steve66]

I have started to buy used brass, new powder and new primers. My goal is 50K pieces in 223, 9mm and 45 brass and enough powder and primers to reload it all.

 

[drgoose]

Is FMJ no good?

I have never seen or heard a trauma surgeon who is presented with a patient has been shot say "Don't worry, it is a FMJ round".

I would not feel comfortable at all being on the bussiness end of a 9mm FMJ bullet.

Just my 0.02$

 

[airhead]

I have never seen or heard a trauma surgeon who is presented with a patient has been shot say "Don't worry, it is a FMJ round".

I would not feel comfortable at all being on the bussiness end of a 9mm FMJ bullet.

Just my 0.02$

me either. but if you are punching holes in someone to stop them, what size holes would you rather be punching? 0.38 inches (.11 square inches) all the way through them and the guy behind him or .65 inches (.33 square inches) to the back ribs?

Personally, I'll take the JHP that opens wound channels 3 times larger than FMJ.

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[trulies]

I like the 30mm cans for grab and go. Steal the silica gel packs from computer boxes:thumsup

 

[greatdanes]

Not to make trivial but people I know are hoarding because they are scared, particularly here in a front line border state where I live. I would say that based on the news we are seeing they have good reasons.