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I was reading yesterday "Armed Response: A Comprehensive Guide to Using Firearms for Self-Defense " by David Kenik, I have so far liked the book but in one of the last chapters it talks about training to shoot from cover and to try to keep the training as realistic as possible, to try to shoot from behind a car, lamp posts etc.

I live in Miami, I have looked and gone to several ranges in Miami and Fort Lauderdale and I can't find any place that might accomodate anything of that sort. Is this problem particular to South Florida? Does anyone know where this kind of practice can be acomplished?

Thanks and hope everyone had a safe and Merry Christmas.
 

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Same problem here too.....

See if you can get into one of Brownie's classes.... I think that might be what you are looking for.
 

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Try googling IDPA shooting in Miami. I read somewhere awhile back that there was IDPA shooting club somewhere there. Now we here in WPB have no such luck. So it's dry firing in my living room for me.
 

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First Coast IDPA - Jacksonville - 1st Saturday http://www.firstcoastidpa.com/

Florida Keys IDPA - Key Largo - 1st Saturday - http://www.keysshooters.com/

Central Florida Rifle and Pistol Club - Orlando - 1st Sunday - http://www.cfrpc.com/

Tropical Sport Shooting Assn. - Ft. Lauderdale-Miami 2nd and 4th Saturdays - http://www.tssa.net

Hansen IDPA - Ft Myers - 2nd Saturday - http://www.swfps.com/idpa.htm

Flagler IDPA - Bunnell - 2nd Saturdays - http://www.flagleridpa.com/

Florida West Coast Defensive Pistol Club - Ruskin - 2nd Sunday - http://www.fwcdpc.com/

Hernando Sportsman Club - Brooksville - 3rd Saturday - http://www.hernandosportsmansclub.com/

Titusville Rifle And Pistol Club - Titusville - 3rd Sunday http://www.titusvillegun.com/

N. W. Florida Defensive Shooters Inc. - Cantonment - 3rd Sunday http://nwfloridadps.topcities.com/

Defensive Shooters Fellowship Of West Broward, Inc -Tamarac - 4th Saturday

The Gun Shop IDPA - Leesburg - 4th Sunday - http://www.floridafirearmsinstruction.com/

Port Malabar Rifle And Pistol Club - Palm Bay - 4th Sunday http://www.pmrpc.com/home.htm
 

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Good stuff Swampy! THANX!
 

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You can also sign up for one of the many classes taught in Miami by some very respectable instructors.

I'm creating a post later today with some of the classes I'm hosting ... Look for it int he training section.
 

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The classes are great for the training, but in order to practice what was trained, it looks like IDPA and maybe IPSC in your area may be your best bet. If you're lucky, maybe there's a gun club like mine in your area, where you're allowed to use the action shooting bays to practice drawing from concealment, shooting while moving, shooting from cover, etc. during non-match times.

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The classes are great for the training, but in order to practice what was trained, it looks like IDPA and maybe IPSC in your area may be your best bet. If you're lucky, maybe there's a gun club like mine in your area, where you're allowed to use the action shooting bays to practice drawing from concealment, shooting while moving, shooting from cover, etc. during non-match times.

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IMHO, IPSC has nothing to do with self defense training. Its about competition shooting and race guns. It has nothing to do with CCW nor does it simulate any self defense scenario likely to be found by anyone anywhere. Is it better then nothing -- well I guess it may be, barely.

IPDA was suppose to cover the concerns of IPSC but it too has gone way to far past the original ideas of the founding fathers. It is much better then IPSC and again better then nothing. Every IPDA shoot I have participated in was full of bad techniques meant to increase speed versus survivability.

The problem with both is that they breed bad habits that can be deadly in a self-defense situation. There are other "clubs" in the area that do this type of training the OP seeks but everyone of them requires a certain level of advanced training before you are even invited to watch a practice shoot.

Now I may be in the wrong here but it seems the OP is quite novice and possible not ready for the level of training they seek which is why I recommended classes.

Please don't mistake me for someone trying to push my classes or classes that I host. In this case the person happens to be local to me but the advise would be no different to someone elsewhere. I am a big pusher of training. I sincerely believe in training and training often...
 

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Drbarbara, I shoot with the pistol club in fort lauderdale at markham on thur nights. Yes they use race guns and have large round count stages (means it takes a lot of bullets to finish the stage) I shoot with my carry weapon, xd 9mm 16 round mag. You cannot draw from your concealed holster, but you can draw from a holster that is approved, worn on the outside. Whle this may not be ideal carry scenario's, You do get to draw and fire rapidly to get the feel. You must learn point and shoot in order to be quick, aiming takes to much time . You will shoot at multiple targets, behind various obstacles including certain targets you cannot shoot. Sometimes the tagets may move and you may only get a fraction of a second to identify and engage it. You must move in order to finish the stage, some stages are quite complicated. You are scored on time and accuracy. The stages are different each week. This will in no wise duplicate a real siituation. But I prefere it to build my skills for handling my gun under pressure (speed) and also most stages require you to reload in the middle. Not saying we will ever be in a situation where I may have to , but if I know how to do it rapidly, I would consider that a plus. You must also be required to identify what you are shooting at. You will learn safe gun handling to, Range officers are strict about that. This month we tried something new. We shot a concealed carry course. Using only what we normally carry and the carry holster, we came up with several scenario's (sitting, standing, holding your groceries, hiding behind a car etc.) that you may encounter while in a mall etc.... It was well recieved and will be done again in the future, altho this is not or main function. There are a lot of people out there to answer questions to if any should arise. You can check out their website at "www.sfpc.org" I like this one the best out of all I have encountered here in my area. Hope this helps.
 

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IDPA is potentially a great way to practice your techniques, it just requires a lot of self discipline. At an IDPA match you may observe individuals using a variety of techniques... some of them for the sole purpose of bettering their scores rather than focusing on effective techniques which can be employed outside of an IDPA competition. Bottom line is that you don't have to do that too. You just have to ignore what some people may be doing around you, push the ego to the side and force yourself to stick to your training.
 

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I may just check out IDPA. Sounds like a good thing to get into. I wish there was more of it in Broward and Palm Beach county
 

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Any practice you get out of IDPA and IPSC depends on your mindset going into it. If you participate to "game" in order to always get the best times, then yes, you'll very likely ingrain bad habits with regard to cover and movement.

However, if you go in with the mindset to practice specific skillsets, like shooting from cover correctly, then it's more than valid for practice. You may not get the best scores, but you'll get the practice you want.

Try it yourself and make your own opinions. Internet forum opinions are often not worth the electrons used to deliver them...mine included.

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IDPA is potentially a great way to practice your techniques, it just requires a lot of self discipline. At an IDPA match you may observe individuals using a variety of techniques... some of them for the sole purpose of bettering their scores rather than focusing on effective techniques which can be employed outside of an IDPA competition. Bottom line is that you don't have to do that too. You just have to ignore what some people may be doing around you, push the ego to the side and force yourself to stick to your training.
Very Sound Advise.
 

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After looking at all the positive comments here about IPDA I decided to go to IPDA.COM and look at the rule book and see why my IPDA experience seemed so different from others here. After reading the rule book it has become quite obvious to me that my local club follows the IPDA rule book VERY LOOSELY! Or at least they did the last time I visited about 2 years ago.

My local club did not allow the use of concealment holsters or concealment clothing. My local club did not require shooters to actually stand behind cover and they did not allow anyone to drop their magazines to the floor. All speed reloads required magazine retention.

Under the circumstances I mentioned above you can see what I have a problem using this style of IPDA shooting as practice. It was more like IPSC without the race guns then IPDA. I also looked on IPDA.COM for information on the local club I attended and did not find the club. It may be they are no longer affiliated with IPDA or never were in the first place, though I am pretty sure I originally found them on IPDA.COM. TSSA is the club listed at this time but looking through their pictures tells me they also follow the IPDA rules very loosely.
 

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You cannot draw from your concealed holster, but you can draw from a holster that is approved, worn on the outside.

I could put on a full day of nothing but how to draw from the closed front or open front garment to increase speed of presentation and first hit probability, all without firing a shot or just using airsofts which would increase speed of presentation by at least 30% in every student.

The "art" of the draw stoke is something that is often times ignored or fluffed over as one thinks there draw is fast enough already. Most of the time, it's not as fast as they can be in just a few hours with the proper training.

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