possibly the same thing that playing with miles gear did for you? Familiarity...
What is required of a Concealed Carry Course?
I was curious just what is required by the state for the requirement for a concealed carry course. I was told by a friend that his course consisted of shooting one round with a rubber bullet. I ask this question since I am a former Marine I simply sent a copy of my DD214 to the state and never took a course. I just do not see what shooting one rubber bullet could possibly do for anyone.
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The state requires that you are observed discharging a live round.
Tic26, I see your point but I do not see how firing one round will do that for anyone.
Just one round and can it be a rubber bullet? I would guess this is how the gun show training could actually qualify 60+ people in one day.The state requires that you are observed discharging a live round.
To qualify all it specifies is one round of" actual ammunition" then we sign a form that swears to this.
As to being a rubber bullet.....lead....copper...I doubt the material of the projectile matters ...I think it must just go "bang" and somthing comes out...I could be wrong though
As to being a rubber bullet.....lead....copper...I doubt the material of the projectile matters ...I think it must just go "bang" and somthing comes out...I could be wrong though
Not necessarily. Depends upon the course being taught. IF the course requires live fire, then yes...you must be observed safely loading and discharging the weapon.The state requires that you are observed discharging a live round.
An FWC Hunter's Safety Course suffices for training...no live fire required.
I use my military ID and my county-issued permit (one or the other would have been fine). Never been to a 'concealed carry' class.
Dept. of Agriculture
(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;
A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;
The idea I think is just to see ifyou are afraid of it.
They don't have any specified training requirements because that would infringe upon your right 2nd Amendment rights. The Amendment doesn't read '..and keep arms so long as the person has adequate training by an approved..."
Maybe it should? I don't know, however I do know that currently, it does not. Satisfaction that you are going to be safe enough to carry the weapon in public would mean just let me see how comfortable you are firing this weapon.
As far as the gun shows, those guys are the far right edge, wanting to arm everyone as soon as possible, so they're going to go with the absolute minimum requirement and sign up as many people as they can.
I guess it's up to you to be responsible for your own actions, and being an adult, decide for yourself whether or not you are safe enough and qualified enough to handle this awesome responsibility.
Jess
They don't have any specified training requirements because that would infringe upon your right 2nd Amendment rights. The Amendment doesn't read '..and keep arms so long as the person has adequate training by an approved..."
Maybe it should? I don't know, however I do know that currently, it does not. Satisfaction that you are going to be safe enough to carry the weapon in public would mean just let me see how comfortable you are firing this weapon.
As far as the gun shows, those guys are the far right edge, wanting to arm everyone as soon as possible, so they're going to go with the absolute minimum requirement and sign up as many people as they can.
I guess it's up to you to be responsible for your own actions, and being an adult, decide for yourself whether or not you are safe enough and qualified enough to handle this awesome responsibility.
Jess
I do not like those short CCW Classes. They do not require you to show proficiency. I got my CCW through my job (Corrections Officer). I was required to qualify with a .38 revolver. Then I qualified with a 9mm (Law Enforcement Academy) I carry a XD40 and went through the same course at my range at home. It is set by the FDLE ad CJSTC. I think that Florida should require CCW classes to prove proficiency and firing one round down range does not cut it.
These classes should be more regulated as to require a qualifying course. Any one else agree?
These classes should be more regulated as to require a qualifying course. Any one else agree?
No. I respectfully disagree. I think that violates, or would violate, Article One, Section Eight of our Constitution. For that matter, I don't think someone should have to pay money to get a license.I do not like those short CCW Classes. They do not require you to show proficiency. I got my CCW through my job (Corrections Officer). I was required to qualify with a .38 revolver. Then I qualified with a 9mm (Law Enforcement Academy) I carry a XD40 and went through the same course at my range at home. It is set by the FDLE ad CJSTC. I think that Florida should require CCW classes to prove proficiency and firing one round down range does not cut it.
These classes should be more regulated as to require a qualifying course. Any one else agree?
The Constitution reads the manner in which we bear arms may be regulated by law. I believe this means the law can make adjustments so it is made regular. If a 70 year old woman is unable to show the proficiency that a bunch of legislators deems required through the qualification, she is now deprived of her right to defend herself.
And I can only imagine the load of crap that they would come up with. I think we would have another stupid statute like our Parking Lot law once everyone is done “compromising”.
These classes should be more regulated as to require a qualifying course. Any one else agree?
I agree with Buckley. Although I would like to personally know that everyone who has a firearm is qualified to use it, as far as the government stepping in and setting laws that specify you have to do a.b.c. just to get a license, thats just a bad idea. The government does not do very well at anything they attempt.
Glad you mentioned that. I do agree with you now. The government already has too much control. My only concern is the people out there carrying a concealed weapon that can't hit the broad side of a barn if they tried. Then they went through this course and shot 1 round down range. Not even required to hit a target. I am really big on accuracy and shot placement. I only shoot law enforcement targets (silouet) because when I do have to shoot someone I would like my targets to resemble a person. Practice makes perfect. I shoot regularly to improve accuracy, as I feel others should too.
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And we expect them to be able to hit what may be a moving target when they are experiencing fight or flight. Roger that.:drinksGlad you mentioned that. I do agree with you now. The government already has too much control. My only concern is the people out there carrying a concealed weapon that can't hit the broad side of a barn if they tried. Then they went through this course and shot 1 round down range. Not even required to hit a target. I am really big on accuracy and shot placement. I only shoot law enforcement targets (silouet) because when I do have to shoot someone I would like my targets to resemble a person. Practice makes perfect. I shoot regularly to improve accuracy, as I feel others should too.
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An FWC Hunter's Safety Course suffices for training...no live fire required.
Yes you have to live fire for a hunters education certificate,Or use too in '88 :drinks
An FWC Hunter's Safety Course suffices for training...no live fire required.
Yes you have to live fire for a hunters education certificate,Or use too in '88 :drinks
Swamprats post makes it clear that only those qualifying under subparagraph 2,3, & 7 have the "safely handle and discharge the firearm" requirement. I think it is a great question. Does shooting rubber bullets or a regular round into a steel container meet the requirement of the statute.
I have another question. Does this constitute illegally discharging a firearm? I would assume that some of the shows are in areas that have zoning which does not permit ranges. How does this all play out?
I have another question. Does this constitute illegally discharging a firearm? I would assume that some of the shows are in areas that have zoning which does not permit ranges. How does this all play out?
I didn't, but I took mine like in '74Yes you have to live fire for a hunters education certificate,Or use too in '88 :drinks
. Took one in Maine in '88 to get my Maine CC license...just a few hours in a classroom (4H course).Personally, I don't think there should be ANY .gov mandated training requirement to exercise a constitutional right. Florida is in the minority of states that issue CC licenses in that we require training. Most don't.
Florida has issued over 1 million CWFLs in the last 22 years with the same 'training requirements'. How many news stories have you read where a license holder had collateral damage or missed their assailant in a righteous defensive shooting?
It really gets tiresome hearing that 'everyone should shoot as good and as much as I do to be able to carry a firearm'.
Sorry for the tone....bad week...but it does get old.
Time for a little Uncle Ted...
No one says it like Uncle Ted!!!!
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