If you shoot... Shoot to kill, not scare or intimidate.
Warning shot?
I read thread on Glocktalk about a scenario where a guy with a ccw came up on two men beating up another man. He was getting beat pretty bad and there were girls screaming and what not so he yelled something at them. At that time they stopped beating on the other guy and approached him. Supposedly when they were at 15ft he told them to stop and they kept coming at which time he drew his weapon and ordered them to get on the ground and he held them while someone called the cops. There's more to the story but someone said that it might have been a good idea to put a warning shot in the dirt in front of the attackers to prevent them from advancing toward you. I don't personally think this is a good idea but it got me wondering, is there ever a scenario where it would be "ok" to fire a warning shot?
Here's the thread on GT for those interested http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1053301&page=2
-Frank
Here's the thread on GT for those interested http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1053301&page=2
-Frank
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Maybe it's from my law enforcement days, but one course of action would be to 'blade' your body from the perps, weak side forward and arm extended out with the palm out and strong hand on gun position and yelling "STOP !!!" This is universal symbol for what comes next without actually having brandishing the firearm. This of course is given the time scenario, but it also puts you in a better position.I was answering about firing a shot at all - if the BG is close enough for you to believe your life is threatened it might be to late to show the gun and hope he retreats. So a question, how soon do you show weapon? What is a good range? Retreat of course would be best option.
The warning shot I fire you may never hear. I hope to God I never have to fire that shot. But I will if it comes down to it.
Don't mean to offend you BUT the wording you used could be used against you in a trial. Always say, "shoot to stop", you are protecting your life NOT purposely taking his. IF he dies as an unintended result, it is self defense whereas , "I shot to kill him" is open to "liberal" interpretation.If you shoot... Shoot to kill, not scare or intimidate.
Don't mean to offend you BUT the wording you used could be used against you in a trial. Always say, "shoot to stop", you are protecting your life NOT purposely taking his. IF he dies as an unintended result, it is self defense whereas , "I shot to kill him" is open to "liberal" interpretation.
+1 sir.
shot out.....shot over....splash out....Splash over....left 150 drop 200 and fire for effect .....
sorry that was a little off topic....no warning shots...if you have to fire to save your life put one in the fuel pump....
Hmmm. I thought you couldn't simultaneously give a command to drop and fire for effect unless the correction was less than 100. 
Was not a cannon cocker...but I think your right!!!Hmmm. I thought you couldn't simultaneously give a command to drop and fire for effect unless the correction was less than 100.
What goes up must come down and what goes out must go in. only pull the trigger if you are willing to destroy whatever the muzzle is pointed at.
It has been my experience and understanding that Law Enforcement can yell halt or fire a warning shot, having been properly taught to do so.
A civilian on the other hand can be arrested for firing a warning shot, since it is considered preemptive to deadly force.
Being in Law Enforcement and carrying a Concealed Carry permit, I would be asked in what capacity had I drawn my weapon. If not in uniform, it would be to my advantage to shoot for affect without a warning of any kind.
A civilian on the other hand can be arrested for firing a warning shot, since it is considered preemptive to deadly force.
Being in Law Enforcement and carrying a Concealed Carry permit, I would be asked in what capacity had I drawn my weapon. If not in uniform, it would be to my advantage to shoot for affect without a warning of any kind.
Nope, Nope, Nope, and Nope some more! As 45freak said "only pull the trigger if you are willing to destroy whatever the muzzle is pointed at." There is no difference in the law between a LEO and a civilian when it comes to "warning shots". YOU are responsible for every round that comes out of the tube. Take ye' chances with ricochet's or misplaced rounds if you want to, but you are taking a serious and possibly lethal chance.It has been my experience and understanding that Law Enforcement can yell halt or fire a warning shot, having been properly taught to do so.
A civilian on the other hand can be arrested for firing a warning shot, since it is considered preemptive to deadly force.
Being in Law Enforcement and carrying a Concealed Carry permit, I would be asked in what capacity had I drawn my weapon. If not in uniform, it would be to my advantage to shoot for affect without a warning of any kind.
Keep this scenario in mind..... You get into a situation with a BG that justifies you pulling your weapon. You fire a "warning shot". You get lucky in that the WS doesn't do any damage other than making a nice little hole in the dirt. Now where are you?
1) You are now one round short if things do escalate to where you really do need to fire at the BG, and .........
2) You have now just fired a round, at which the BG can tell the Police that " Man, I don't know what happened. Next thing I know is this MF is cappin' at me. I had no other choice than to shoot back and kill him."
NO WARNING SHOTS! PERIOD, THEN END. Warning shots....."Apply directly to the forehead."
Beers y'all,
Ken
Though there may be some department somewhere in the US that allows warning shots, most have prohibited them. Simply because the department has the same liability for the projectile as the officer, if the practice is allowed. :thumsupIt has been my experience and understanding that Law Enforcement can yell halt or fire a warning shot, having been properly taught to do so.
A civilian on the other hand can be arrested for firing a warning shot, since it is considered preemptive to deadly force.
Being in Law Enforcement and carrying a Concealed Carry permit, I would be asked in what capacity had I drawn my weapon. If not in uniform, it would be to my advantage to shoot for affect without a warning of any kind.
+ 1 When I was with Escambia.C.S.D. warning shots were a NO NO. I agree with Ken 100 %. Badge or no badge.Nope, Nope, Nope, and Nope some more! As 45freak said "only pull the trigger if you are willing to destroy whatever the muzzle is pointed at." There is no difference in the law between a LEO and a civilian when it comes to "warning shots". YOU are responsible for every round that comes out of the tube. Take ye' chances with ricochet's or misplaced rounds if you want to, but you are taking a serious and possibly lethal chance.
Keep this scenario in mind..... You get into a situation with a BG that justifies you pulling your weapon. You fire a "warning shot". You get lucky in that the WS doesn't do any damage other than making a nice little hole in the dirt. Now where are you?
1) You are now one round short if things do escalate to where you really do need to fire at the BG, and .........
2) You have now just fired a round, at which the BG can tell the Police that " Man, I don't know what happened. Next thing I know is this MF is cappin' at me. I had no other choice than to shoot back and kill him."
NO WARNING SHOTS! PERIOD, THEN END. Warning shots....."Apply directly to the forehead."
Beers y'all,
Ken
How long since you were in Pcola. My brother in law is ECSD.+ 1 When I was with Escambia.C.S.D. warning shots were a NO NO. I agree with Ken 100 %. Badge or no badge.
I think warning shots are good.
As long as you shoot several.
Like 2 COM, 1 head.
Really liked the comment "they were not warning shots, but misses" :rolf
Also agree on "shoot to live" or "shoot to stop the threat" NOT "shoot to kill".
Only the firing squad shoots to kill.
Even the in military it is better to wound (takes 3 guys out - the victim and the 2 guys taking him out of the combat zone - plus the resources to take care of him later); which I think is the reason the military use FMJ; I never really believed in the Geneva Convention excuse. :ak
As long as you shoot several.
Like 2 COM, 1 head.
Really liked the comment "they were not warning shots, but misses" :rolf
Also agree on "shoot to live" or "shoot to stop the threat" NOT "shoot to kill".
Only the firing squad shoots to kill.
Even the in military it is better to wound (takes 3 guys out - the victim and the 2 guys taking him out of the combat zone - plus the resources to take care of him later); which I think is the reason the military use FMJ; I never really believed in the Geneva Convention excuse. :ak
Only thing is, if you do not put that man or woman down permanently, there is a chance that he or she can get back into the fight. Once I shoot someone, they are not getting back up to kill me or my comrades.
Now our ROE that we covered while gearing up for deployment last year included a warning shot as part of the "escalation of force". Shout, Show, Shove, Shoot (warning), Shoot (stop threat)Even our ROE for deployments is no warning shots. Every bullet over here even as that proverbial lawyer (or in our case $) attached to it.
In the "normal" world no warning shots, EVER. Over here, it is a little more greyed out (shoot the engine block not the driver.)
I would still intervene, because if you can see it, identify it, and still make the decision to walk away, then I hope you can live with yourself.... cause I don't think I could.
+1...:thumsupI think warning shots are good.
As long as you shoot several.
Like 2 COM, 1 head.
:ak
Stop/Halt
NYPD started a trend years ago, a lot of thinking went into it, copied all over.
"POLICE_DON'T MOVE!"
Basic ID "POLICE" then a command that says it all, if you are not moving. DON'T! If you are "STOP" Works well.
NYPD started a trend years ago, a lot of thinking went into it, copied all over.
"POLICE_DON'T MOVE!"
Basic ID "POLICE" then a command that says it all, if you are not moving. DON'T! If you are "STOP" Works well.
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