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Type II Muscle Fibers--"twitch muscle fibers"

Type IIb muscle fibers have the fastest-contractile speed, the largest cross-sectional area, the lowest oxidative capacity, and the highest glycolytic capacity. They are ideally suited for short fast bursts of power. These muscle fibers are used in such activities as sprinting, powerlifting, and bodybuilding. Type IIa muscle fibers are intermediate and their properties lie between type I and type IIb.

The Principle of Use/Disuse

The Principle of Use/Disuse implies that you "use it or lose it." This simply means that your muscles hypertrophy with use and atrophy with disuse. It is important to find a balance between stress and rest. There must be periods of low intensity between periods of high intensity to allow for recovery.

The Principle of Specificity

The Specificity Principle simply states that training must go from highly general training to highly specific training. The principle of Specificity also implies that to become better at a particular exercise or skill, you must perform that exercise or skill. To be a good cyclist, you must cycle. The point to take away is that a runner should train by running and a swimmer should train by swimming.

The training must be specific not only to your sport, but to your individual abilities (tolerance to training stress, recoverability, outside obligations, etc). You must increase the training loads over time (allowing some workouts to be less intense than others) and you must train often enough not only to keep a detraining effect from happening, but to also force an adaptation.
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That's the technical side of the answer, now here is my program for developing my fast "Type11b" muscles.

Particular attention to trigger finger speed by shooting out of control [ fast ] for 100 rds or so [ past my limits ], then backing off just a fraction to regain the control.

Repeated many times, eventually the speed increased [ the twitch muscles moving faster ] with good hits. That's what worked for me. Shooting beyond any control, not looking for hits, but pure speed on the trigger [ like an exercise ], and then after the finger got used to that speed, backing off a fraction to regain control and there you have it.

Pretty simple, and I came to it by just mucking with speed and seeing results back some 25 years ago. I've been able to get 5 rds per second with combat accuracy without much effort with practicing the drill above. That's a round every .20 seconds on threat. I've done 5 rds a second with a glock 5.5# standard trigger as well as my 1911's with a 4# trigger with less distance to reset it. I usually average between 4-5 rds a second, with splits averaging .21-.22 seconds between shots.

Any members here ever really pushed their hits per second and see just how fast they can get with combat accuracy or looked at the science behind why we are capable of such scientifically?
 

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I'm reading and highly interested. Just trying to figure out how to get my finger to go out of control. I think it may have already atrophied. I guess I better start the finger exercises. Guess I better do that on the range though.

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I have short stubby fingers. Only takes a few rounds in a new gun to get my speed down.
I find it easier to not let off the trigger completely. For me I can shoot & release my finger to the point of just enough to reset but keep pressure on the trigger for follow up shots.
Not sure if this is "correct" but it works well for me on anything I shoot.
Well except a revolver. I generally dislike them anyway though.

At the range I do a quick 3 rounds, then 2, then 3 then 2 again for practice.
 

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I'm reading and highly interested. Just trying to figure out how to get my finger to go out of control. I think it may have already atrophied. I guess I better start the finger exercises. Guess I better do that on the range though.

Jim
Trigger pull as fast as you can, don't look for hits, your brain will tell you to slow down, you're missing. The more you trigger pull with speed, the better the twitch muscles are developed and the faster you'll be able to go.

Most people shoot as fast as they can, while trying to control their hits, that's not going to be as fast as your finger can run the trigger though.
 

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I have short stubby fingers. Only takes a few rounds in a new gun to get my speed down.
I find it easier to not let off the trigger completely. For me I can shoot & release my finger to the point of just enough to reset but keep pressure on the trigger for follow up shots.
Not sure if this is "correct" but it works well for me on anything I shoot.
Well except a revolver. I generally dislike them anyway though.

At the range I do a quick 3 rounds, then 2, then 3 then 2 again for practice.
Build the muscles in your fingers and grip strength with one of those tools you squeeze, they come in different strengths, just get one that's not stiff and work at it. The fingers won't get tired as quickly. My trigger finger gets tired and the rds per second slows at around the 12-14 rds mark. When I started the trigger finger could only sustain 6-8 rds till it slowed.

What really stood out was that the time between hits [ called splits ] decreased as well.
 

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Only 3 people on the forum interested in responding and 132 members interested enough to even look at the post. :eek:

Guess the subject of trigger speed and how to increase it is not a big deal here for very many people. :cool:

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Build the muscles in your fingers and grip strength with one of those tools you squeeze, they come in different strengths, just get one that's not stiff and work at it. The fingers won't get tired as quickly. My trigger finger gets tired and the rds per second slows at around the 12-14 rds mark. When I started the trigger finger could only sustain 6-8 rds till it slowed.

What really stood out was that the time between hits [ called splits ] decreased as well.
When you say one of those tools you squeeze, do you mean one of thoe "v" shaped spring grip "things" or are you referring to one of those tools you see in gun rags touted to increase finger strength. I've often thought about getting one of those things but never really took the time to research it.
 

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do you mean one of thoe "v" shaped spring grip "things"

That's the one. They come in different strengths, and you can use more strength on different fingers when using it. Isolate one or two more than the others as you desire.

I keep one near the recliner, using it while watch TV. When my hand/wrist/fingers get tired I hols it closed as much as possible till I get a good burn going, then use it on the other hand.

5 minutes on each hand, rest a few hours and do it all over again. It takes no effort to use it while sitting and watching a movie. :thumsup

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What about forearm strength/conditioning?

I used to have a stick (old broom handle) that I tied a weight on to that I would raise and lower to work on forearm strength. This is a little more time consuming but can be done in the same manner. I think this might help with your grip as well because you have to consciously hold the "stick" to lower the weight. Your thoughts?
 

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Raising and lowering the weight on the stick is fantastic for your wrists and forearm muscle building.

The gripper I mentioned will burn those forearms but as good as well, but not so much the wrists as that stick and weight.

Building the fingers/hand/wrist/forearm strength is going to result in better recoil and trigger control. Coupled with the trigger speed drills I run, the increased benefits of "running the gun" are easily noticed, especially one handed which is 80-85% of the threat focused reactive skills we cover in the classes.

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Thank you sir. :thumsup
 

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From my own experience, I think that most people can achieve excellent trigger speed without extra exercises. All it takes is practice, practice, practice. Trigger speed, like so many other skills, is perishable. It takes constant parctice to maintain. You can develop wrists and forearms like Popeye and a trigger finger that can crush walnuts and you won't be any faster than the next guy, unless you practice religiously. Exercise can help, but it, alone, will not increase your trigger speed.
 

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From my own experience, I think that most people can achieve excellent trigger speed without extra exercises. All it takes is practice, practice, practice. Trigger speed, like so many other skills, is perishable. It takes constant parctice to maintain. You can develop wrists and forearms like Popeye and a trigger finger that can crush walnuts and you won't be any faster than the next guy, unless you practice religiously. Exercise can help, but it, alone, will not increase your trigger speed.
Agreed Mac, the trigger speed drills I do don't require much muscle building. Fast twitch muscles are developed by "doing", pushing them, and repeating the process over and over as I mentioned in my first post.

Building hand/wrist/forearm strength allows one to work the drills longer, but there is a point of no return for this as well at some point. My splits slowed after 6-8 rds and adding the strength training allowed the sustained hits per second to increase.

DE, yup, Jerry sure knows a thing or two about fast twitch muscles :D

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