[mike1956]

No, I meant laterally instead of vertically. The vertical could be 15-20", it's can you score inside that 6" lateral window.

I asked the question because at one of the Volusia courses, I set up two threats covering most of a 3rd target just behind the two that left students with a 6" window. The dismal performance of the basics was disheartening to say the least.

Such performances can and will give us that baseline from which to improve.

I don't concern myself so much with dismal class results as I do with performance after applying the lessons learned from my failures.

 

[brownie]

It's been my observation far too many people don't have command of the basics [ handhold, trigger control, sight alignment ] having been shooting for years.

 

[edgehill]

It's been my observation far too many people don't have command of the basics [ handhold, trigger control, sight alignment ] having been shooting for years.

I've always had an issue with sighted fire because I have a bit of a nervous shake that doesn't seem to be there when doing index shooting. When I go to the range, I usually do the following

Sighted fire strong side 7 yards
Sighted fire weak side 7 yards
Quick Kill strong side 7 yards
Quick Kill weak side 7 yards
Point shoulder/3/4 hip strong side (most of the ranges here make it hard to do half hip)
Point shoulder/3/4 hip weak side
Then a do a magazine strong and weak at 15 yards.

So I'll add a few smaller targets at 30 yards.

 

[brownie]

I've always had an issue with sighted fire because I have a bit of a nervous shake that doesn't seem to be there when doing index shooting. When I go to the range, I usually do the following

Sighted fire strong side 7 yards
Sighted fire weak side 7 yards
Quick Kill strong side 7 yards
Quick Kill weak side 7 yards
Point shoulder/3/4 hip strong side (most of the ranges here make it hard to do half hip)
Point shoulder/3/4 hip weak side
Then a do a magazine strong and weak at 15 yards.

So I'll add a few smaller targets at 30 yards.

If you can make the shot at 30 feet, you have command of the basics Andy.

 

[BeerHunter]

So lets amend the posts question.

Can you thread the needle at 30 feet and put a round into an area 6" laterally. Forget the hostage taker scenario's, shooting past two innocents.

Simply can you put a round into a target that's 6" wide [ the length of a US dollar bill ] at 30 feet reliably?

That I can do. 🤠

 

[brownie]

That I can do. 🤠

I knew that, I just wanted to see you post you can do that

 

[exbluelight]

In relation to a barn......is that the broad side or the small side...I can hit the broad side .....the small side sometimes, when I am lucky....EBL

 

[brownie]

In relation to a barn......is that the broad side or the small side...I can hit the broad side .....the small side sometimes, when I am lucky....EBL

Ya, I've got a bridge to sell here in Az too LOL

 

[MPDC66]

20 years ago, yes. Now, probably not but knowing that is half the battle. In my prior life, shooting a hostage taker in contact with a hostage was verboten and the purview of SOD Snipers.

 

[nittany lion fan]

So lets amend the posts question. Simply put, can you put a round into a target that's 6" wide [ the length of a US dollar bill ] at 30 feet reliably?

Yes.

 

[CDW4ME]

30 feet = 10 yards. I think I could and will back it up with a target from recent range trip.
I typically keep my shots on a 6'' circle at 2x that distance, no practice, unsupported, slow fire.

 

[brownie]

20 years ago, yes. Now, probably not but knowing that is half the battle. In my prior life, shooting a hostage taker in contact with a hostage was verboten and the purview of SOD Snipers.

By 93-94, entry teams were being trained to take the shot inside a structure. Snipers wouldn't have target acquisition

 

[Calimwulf]

You've got a 6" width window to take a hostage through a few innocents in front of him at 30 feet.

Can you thread that needle and make the shot? How confident are you that you could make that shot 100% of the time?

Have you ever tried to thread the needle between targets that only leave you that 6" window?

With a rifle, not with a handgun.

I wouldn't feel confident with a handgun at 30 feet, 18 feet or under is where I train.

Darn good question

 

[Rick McC.]

At 10 yards; yes, consistently.

 

[brownie]

With a rifle, not with a handgun.

I wouldn't feel confident with a handgun at 30 feet, 18 feet or under is where I train.

Darn good question

I train at 15 yrds and in normally, but that last mag or two shooting at "distance" has always served me well when a precision shot needs to be taken [ as it verifies my basics are spot on ]. And if your basics are spot on, then threading the needle is really a duck walk

 

[Calimwulf]

I train at 15 yrds and in normally, but that last mag or two shooting at "distance" has always served me well when a precision shot needs to be taken [ as it verifies my basics are spot on ]. And if your basics are spot on, then threading the needle is really a duck walk

When you ask these kinds of question, I tend to go with my instincts. They have served me well over the years.

My initial instinct was to move closer using the innocents to block my targets view. It was not an option.

Lack of confidence will make one miss the easiest of shots.

The easiest person in the world to lie to is oneself, I haven't ever lied to myself when lives are on the line and shooting is involved. Mind you, risk management might mean I'll take the shot anyway, but at that point I'll live with what happens regardless of the outcome.

 

[brownie]

When you ask these kinds of question, I tend to go with my instincts. They have served me well over the years.

My initial instinct was to move closer using the innocents to block my targets view. It was not an option.

Lack of confidence will make one miss the easiest of shots.

The easiest person in the world to lie to is oneself, I haven't ever lied to myself when lives are on the line and shooting is involved. Mind you, risk management might mean I'll take the shot anyway, but at that point I'll live with what happens regardless of the outcome.

If my first instinct was to move closer because I'd not trained at longer than normal distances, I'd be out there shooting distances until I had to confidence to make the shot.

It all comes down to command of the basics. Gain that at longer than normal distances, you'll know what your capable of. Once you know what you're actually capable of, you only have to consider the circumstances [ whether it's make the shot or wait for a better opportunity.

 

[stbob]

You've got a 6" width window to take a hostage through a few innocents in front of him at 30 feet.
Can you thread that needle and make the shot? How confident are you that you could make that shot 100% of the time?
Have you ever tried to thread the needle between targets that only leave you that 6" window?

No, too new, still working on my shooting low problem. But i do recollect a bunch of movies where shooter simply took both out, problem solved...

 

[brownie]

No, too new, still working on my shooting low problem. But i do recollect a bunch of movies where shooter simply took both out, problem solved...

That's not an acceptable solution in the real world.

Shooting low? Lock your elbows. Stop pushing on the gun when you fire it.

 

[Calimwulf]

If my first instinct was to move closer because I'd not trained at longer than normal distances, I'd be out there shooting distances until I had to confidence to make the shot.

It all comes down to command of the basics. Gain that at longer than normal distances, you'll know what your capable of. Once you know what you're actually capable of, you only have to consider the circumstances [ whether it's make the shot or wait for a better opportunity.

No argument from me boss.

Thank you for the what if!