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Welcome to FCC from Palm Beach County, EdinFlorida! 🍻
Nice lecture from someone that just got here.
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You can't have it both ways. You can't say 'don't know the laws' and that 'only criminals would do that'.Totally silly response. Of course you are violating the law IF you are already committing an offense and are shooting while in the act. Even so, your survival would trump the fact you are illegally using your weapon. Of course, you are a criminal in the first place so would be acting in character.
My original post is about “mindset” and is the mantra of most EXPERIENCED LEOs and CC licensees.
As to explaining it to you, IMHO, there is no legitimate reason to take a human life if not protecting your own or removing imminent danger (of a serious attack) on another innocent person. Stopping property crime or presuming and preempting future behavior goes totally against our civil values, both legally and morally. ”Fear“ as used here doesn’t mean a state of trepidation but rather a legitimate belief that catastrophic injury is likely to occur.
Never make a shooting decision based on the belief you COULD legally but rather that you SHOULD morally. End of explanation.
Zimmerman started pursuit of Treyvan, which gave Treyvon the right to self defense.. Even though it was 'proven' that Zimmerman had broken off pursuit, Treyvon , who more or less was a law abiding citizen failed to understand that his right to self defense ended when the threat ended.
There was a case in Apopka. An old guy got thrown to the ground by a much younger, huge individual. The old guy drew. The young guy puts his hands up and steps back during the draw. The old guy finishes, aims and fires and is currently serving time in prison. The old man was a law abiding citizen and a legal CC holder, until he wasn't.
All laws are are rules of engagement, nothing more or less and for the most part, they serve exactly the same purpose.
And BTW, lawful self defense with a firearm is doing exactly what you say we do not have the right to do. We are presuming and preempting future behavior, because of a belief that catastrophic injury is likely to occur
What makes that legitimate or not is guess what? If it is lawful.
Default mindset, without first having to consult Black’s Dictionary, is to only shoot when you have REASONABLE fear of death or great bodily harm to yourself or another innocent. Don’t know how many ways to say it but legal parsing can lead to probable illegal acts. KISS comes to mind.
If you or anyone had said that legal parsing can lead to hesitation\over thinking when one should be drawing, aiming and squeezing, I'd agree. That is KISS as regards self defense, armed or not.Default mindset, without first having to consult Black’s Dictionary, is to only shoot when you have REASONABLE fear of death or great bodily harm to yourself or another innocent. Don’t know how many ways to say it but legal parsing can lead to probable illegal acts. KISS comes to mind.
Identify threat, deal with threat.
"legal parsing can lead to probable illegal acts"
This makes no sense to me at all, and if you have the time, I'd love an explanation. I must be missing something that's obvious.
My statement referred to the “Can I shoot IF” rather than I only shoot if I have LEGITIMATE fear of death or great bodily harm. The former “can I shoot” question is usually asked by novice carriers seeking authority rather than realizing legitimate fear is the only “trigger” needed and the only correct mindset to always be legitimate.
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