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What do I mean when I tell students that "The mind is the limiting factor"?

From experience in training some of my partners on the dept and some of the others who would be in a position to have to save my butt over the years, I've learned a few things which I'd like to share with our readers.

The mind can easily comprehend the Handgun or Pistol Quick Kill (c) TM method with either a handgun or rifle and it can learn the methodology of both quickly when the concepts are taught correctly.

I have not had one person not be able to perform QK with a handgun or revolver while on the line with me. Of course everyone had their own learning curve, some picked up the principles very fast, others not so quickly, but working with them all, uncovered a few facts about human nature and how the mind works where this subject is concerned.

I've come to the realization that people fall into two general groups after they have been instructed in the Handgun or Pistol Quick Kill (c) techniques.

The first group picks it up [ the concept ] quickly and recognizes the advantages, the shortcut it can be to accurate, rapid hits and that it uses their natural ability thats always there.

The second group picks it up [ the concept ] with considerable effort, recognizes the advantages to a lesser degree and doesn't recognize the skill for the shortcut it can be at all but still recognizes it as something they are capable of naturally.

Both general groups can perform Handgun or Pistol Quick Kill (c) when with me on the line in real time. One group grasps the concepts and can perform it in minutes, and the other group can take a few hours.

Either group is equally prone to no further practice of Handgun or Pistol Quick Kill (c) the next time I see them. They usually go right back to using their sights in some manner.

Even though they have shown themselves and myself they are quite capable of the skills, have seen the results it can deliver in speed and combat accuracy in short time intervals of training, they naturally choose to go back to the training thats more familiar to them, that of verifying their sights to make the hits.

This verifying of the sight/s is the mental block and the major limiting factor I've come to recognize in people. It is the difference between the eyes focusing on the guns sight/s in some manner, focusing on the threat and ignoring the sight/s completely, or moving their visual focus between the sight/s and the threat rapidly in some manner to get the mental verification their mind seems to have been trained to need and has come to rely on before it will allow them to take the shot.

There are ways to get people to let the mind open up and accepting no visual reference to the sights. I'll explain this with a perfect example of what I'm talking about here.

Back in 2000, I had a pharmacist from Connecticut in one of the civilian defensive edged weapons classes I taught at the Smith and Wessson academy. He heard about the QK system I knew and wanted the training.

Several weeks later he was up to see me in Massachusetts. He arrived with a high dollar Colt all duked out with the bells and whistles and nice carry system.

One day, $1000.00 later, he was "good to go". I had to correct his two handed hold some, but other than that he was a fair shooter. He was the type that thought he was a good shooter when he got there because he could hold tiny little groups while shooting slowly [ relatively speaking ].

He learned that with QK he could shoot faster and the groups opened up some, but they ALL remained inside that 8 inch standard I require at combat distances, and most were well inside 4 inches. He also learned he could not shoot that fast and acquire the sights. He had learned QK was a shortcut to fast and accurate hits without years on the guns.

Before I go any further, let me say right up front that many competition shooters can use their sights very quickly and have developed their skills with considerable time and effort. I have a great resepct for their trained abilities and accomplishments, the time and dedication they have spent to get there is commendable.

Anyway, he calls me a few weeks later and is very upset, complaining QK isn't working and he can't get the hits he was that day with me. I told him to come back for remedial at no charge, and we set the date.

He got to my location and I asked him to show me what he was doing. Know what he was doing? He was trying to use QK and chasing the sights at the same time. Thats just not going to work.

I told him I could fix the problem if he wanted me to but I needed to have the gun for a few minutes. He handed me that good looking Colt and I walked over to the trunk of the car and took a pair of pliers and ripped the front sight off the gun.

I returned and handed him his gun back. Man, he was upset like no tomorrow. He turned all sorts of shades of red, and didn't say much though. I knew he was steaming, so I told him he could always get the damned sight replaced, but I didn't have time to waste so this was the way to get him back on track.

He understood, calmed down and went to work. In one magazine, he was back to getting the hits with speed again. He was back to using QK and his natural ability, and was forced to ignore the damned front sight. He left content in a few hours and asked how long he should shoot without the front sight before replacing it.

My answer was-----------------------------------it would depend on how long it took him to ignore the gun and be threat focused, to use QK properly.

The mind is the limiting factor

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Brownie... you're the "Gun Whisperer":drinks

I hope you enjoy the company of Ceasar Millan and Robert Redford!
 

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Brownie... you're the "Gun Whisperer":drinks
:rolf that's funny

I've officially set aside vacation time to take one of your classes Brownie. We'll just have to see which one I can attend.
 

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Brownie,

So are you saying that with QK that it is better to not have sites on your gun at all? Does that mean that my LCP (basically NO sites) and my SP101 (just as useless as far as sites are concerned) would be good guns to have for this skill?

Also, is QK a good skill to acquire if one's eyesight is not as, shall we say, focused, as in one's younger years?

Just wondering.

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Afternoon Mamabear,

So are you saying that with QK that it is better to not have sites on your gun at all?

All my guns have sights on them except two training guns specifically designed for getting students to quickly ignore the gun and use the skill.

Does that mean that my LCP (basically NO sites) and my SP101 (just as useless as far as sites are concerned) would be good guns to have for this skill?

In that regard, they are perfect guns to use the Quick Kill threat focused skills. Both of those guns would be used primarily at distances under 20 feet, and usually quite a bit less than that where time is short to get rds on threat. The smaller the sights the less they will visually distract your attention to the gun when it's not necessary.

Every carry gun I own has combat sights which are quite a bit smaller than target sights. I don't have adjustable sights on any gun for two reasons. The first is they are more fragile than fixed and the second is they are usually quite a bit larger in height and width than fixed.

I've taken little tiny nub sights with my advanced eyes and been quite capable of hitting objects like paint lid cans at 100 yds, so the smaller sights are not as much a hindrence as many people think.

Also, is QK a good skill to acquire if one's eyesight is not as, shall we say, focused, as in one's younger years?

As ones eyes get older we have a harder time focusing from the near to far and back quickly like we used to [ usually past 40 for most it really drops off ]. With Quick Kill, if you can see the threat, you can hit the threat accurately.

The older your eyes get, the harder it is to see near objects [ the arms seem to never be long enough to hold the object out far enough ], the more this threat focused skill will be invaluable to anyone who may need to use it in a SD situation.

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capngeo;

Brownie... you're the "Gun Whisperer"

Somehow I missed that comment of yours earlier, but that is quite hilarious sir :laughing

My signature line on my own forum as well as here is "The mind is the limiting factor". The more I've studied the way of the gun and what we are truly capable of without conscious thought, the more I've come to understand my mentors allowing me to explore my own natural ability.

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Thanks again for the BTTT because this is another great read. Your example of the pharmacist coming back for remedial training is priceless! It was obvious that he'd either not fully committed to Threat Focused/QK the first time or had reverted to old habits in a relatively short time. Yes, you're 100% right that the mind is the limiting factor! :2thumsup

Maybe you ought to keep a brass pin in your kit so you don't have to "rip the front sight off of the gun!" As I was reading that, I could just see the client's red face in my mind! :rofl
 

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having experienced an incredibly high level of consciousness in one of brownies training sessions I can tell you first hand that when you let it all go and just feel what youre doing you can achieve anything....there are no limits....there are no barriers....

understanding this little tag line has changed my life....
 

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^^^^^ THIS!!!:thumsup
 

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Appreciate the thoughts folks,

BH,
He didn't forget the second lesson, the point made stuck. :grin
 

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It's a great skill, but at the two ranges I use, a difficult skill to practice because of range rules prohibiting draws from a holster and rapid fire shooting. If I want to practice, I've got to find a spot out in the country where I can let it rip, not always easy to do. That said, for me, once the skill was acquired, it was a lot like riding a bike, once learned, never forgotten, which doesn't mean the skill level wouldn't decline over time, just that it's not ephemeral.
 

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It's a great skill, but at the two ranges I use, a difficult skill to practice because of range rules prohibiting draws from a holster and rapid fire shooting. If I want to practice, I've got to find a spot out in the country where I can let it rip, not always easy to do. That said, for me, once the skill was acquired, it was a lot like riding a bike, once learned, never forgotten, which doesn't mean the skill level wouldn't decline over time, just that it's not ephemeral.
It truly is, but for those that don’t have practice friendly ranges (and the vast majority aren’t); just join IDPA, shoot in the matches, and use the TFP skills instead of using the sights. It makes a great practice venue.

I’ve been doing it for a few years now (not using the sights). I train to only use the sights in hostage situations, and in those instances, I only take head shots.
 
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