The Dicken Drill, Revisited

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mike1956

Discussion Starter · 5 mo ago

The shooting is described in greater detail now that he has been officially cleared of any and all wrongdoing.

An Official Journal Of The NRA | “True Hero” Eli Dicken Cleared of Charges, Praised by Police

No charges will be filed against Elisjsha Dicken, the 22-year-old armed citizen who stopped a mass murderer at an Indiana mall earlier this year.

www.americas1stfreedom.org

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brownie

· #4 · 5 mo ago

So he fired a total of 10 rounds. He would have had enough in a single stack had he fired 3 times instead of 4 shots twice.

3, 3 and 2 would put a single stack in good standing.

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brownie

· #6 · 5 mo ago

mike1956 said:
The original "drill" is eazy peazy with my .45 Performance Center Shield with time to spare. Eight rounds, eight hits with time to spare from forty-plus yards. Anyone who believes that to be remarkable should maybe get out more. With my bone stock Glock 19, not so much. The kid did good, however we dice it.

You're right, someone who has command of the basics shouldn't have any problem putting 8 on a perp standing in the open from 42 yrds.

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brownie

· #8 · 5 mo ago

Caleb said:
What would be the average bullet drop at 42 yards? Would you still get COM hits holding at COM?

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yes for both 9 and 45. The 9mm would be about 2" low, the 45 about 2.5" low.

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brownie

· #10 · 5 mo ago

Anduril said:
Of course, the perp may keel over slightly after the first hit, making the second one a few inches high.
But probably not enough to matter when the first two rounds are fired rapidly one after the other.

If you normally shoot COM, you've got 17-18" from neck to belt. So shooting center of chest, you've got 8-9" of leeway for high or low shots for whatever reason.

I'm not even going to be thinking about where they land, they'll land COM which is 8-9" in diameter

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brownie

· #12 · 5 mo ago

7.62Kolectr said:
You left out the instant shock of most people of seeing three people blasted away, hearing gunfire in an open food court without hearing protection, people scattering in every direction and per the article he had to hesitate mid stream due to people running in between them and again for most people adrenalin being as high as it’s ever been in their lives. A great percentage of people who carry are no different than Eli, no real exp or training other than ‘my granpa taught me to shoot when I was nine.’
That makes what he did and accomplished with zero collateral damage stellar.

Again another reason I’d like to see the video on something like the ‘Active self protection’ channel. We’ve seen similar videos of good guys shooting bad guys. Might be Eli himself who made the request to keep it private?

When you're in it, people running about are just distractions that if allowed to enter the "bubble" you should be in while in an event like this [ extreme focus on the job at hand which is getting sights on the perp ]. Fire when you have an opening, stop firing as people may enter into your sighting, then continue firing on the turd. Singularly focused when the party starts, distractions will force you to less focused on the perp than innocents floating in and out of the scenario

And like Eli, keep moving toward the turd increasing your odds of making better hits.

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brownie

· #16 · 5 mo ago

7.62Kolectr said:
I agree. But what you said is a lot easier said than done for a great many people who carry.
And that’s another point I didn’t make, engaging the threat who’s armed with a rifle and advancing on him while doing that. Amazing that as untrained as he is he did that. Hell he’s never even read a Brownie scenario thread and got it done! Wow!

A lot easier said than done for most who haven't been trained to stay in the bubble. He came out of a meat grinder with a LOT of luck on his side for little to no training.

He got lucky, and good on him for being that lucky that day. Luck plays a more important role in many DGU's than training.

We know people here who are gun people that don't bother to take any training, or very little and at that the most basic of skills. When they get into a scenario like this having read that accounting they have convinced themselves they'll do as well. Highly unlikely IMO

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brownie

· #20 · 5 mo ago

mike1956 said:
As I recall, during your class we did one scenario in which the students were required to "thread the needle" for a precision shot at some distance. That is one situation in which auditory exclusion, tunnel vision, time distortion and the other effects of an adrenaline dump might well work to the defender's advantage. No distractions, just the target at distance.

Based on what I saw that day in the thread the needle exercise, I don't think they'd shoot with people in close proximity to the perp for fear of hitting an innocent. Then again, I wasn't taught how to get in the bubble and go to work defending myself until 93, some 22 years after I started carrying and 16 years after I started working the streets.

Learning to get into the bubble as well as staying there while distractions are moving about was one of the better training lessons afforded me

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brownie

· #21 · 5 mo ago

7.62Kolectr said:
Being an experienced shooter and on a gun forum that’s easy to say. Put the average carrier into same situation he was in and the majority wouldn’t do same as him.

Of course it is. But as I said a great percentage of CCWers don’t do much more than a couple range sessions and a couple hundred rounds and then holster up thinking they are ready.

And this incident will likely reinforce their belief they'll acquit themselves like Eli did. Having a false sense of your skills based on shooting static 2d targets with all the time in the world to fire that heater isn't conducive to exemplary performance/outcomes.

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brownie

· #23 · 5 mo ago

mike1956 said:
That force-on-force weekend you conducted certainly went a long way in helping me get "into the bubble", If you recall, I had a real deal shortly after that in Puerto Rico. The scenario was different, but the default mindset was the same. The hole is much easier to climb up out of if you have been down in it before.

I remember you posting on that event and your actions which defeated their idea of you and your wife being victims.

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