[MZA119]

I just got done reading the Taser/Pepper Spray thread so I got to thinking on the extreme side of things. Here's a scenario and I'd like to see how any concealed carrying member here would handle it.

You're out and about and for some odd reason a suicide bomber has targeted you. You're about 15 feet away, give or take. The bomber had a deadman switch. What is your defense? Is your firearm now useless? Curious.

 

[jfl]

Run fast if you can

Depends on the situation; if I can get behind strong cover, I'll engage him and hit the dirt. A ditch would be better than nothing.

A pelvic girdle shot my stop him without releasing the switch for a few seconds
I would assume the schrapnel would fly in a disk pattern around his torso, so if he is down, being close to the axis of the body would minimize the damage ???

... so many variables !!!

No, wait, I just saw "Fistful of Dollars" once again a few days ago; I would shoot so my bullet would cut the wire from the switch to the battery :dancingbanana

 

[Mac45]

First of all, it is very difficult to tell exactly what type of detonator a homicide bomber is using. They are usually as simple as possible, if the bomber is going to be responsible for initiating the detonation. And, given the unreliable nature of homicide bombers, many are now being rigged with remote detonators. So, you probably should run away and hide. Anything else has an even lower chance of survivability.

 

[LevelG27]

First of all, it is very difficult to tell exactly what type of detonator a homicide bomber is using. They are usually as simple as possible, if the bomber is going to be responsible for initiating the detonation. And, given the unreliable nature of homicide bombers, many are now being rigged with remote detonators. So, you probably should run away and hide. Anything else has an even lower chance of survivability.

True the suicide bombers who chicken out are now being wired from a remote place so another can detonate the bomb.

 

[bones]

I am not sure about this. I would say head shot IF you have enough time. But you have to be a very good shot to do it. I don't know if this would help, I can shoot squirrels and birds moving, have also missed a lot. May help with moving target practice?
Also. Trigger arm/hand maybe? Not sure about the delayed reaction?
How long after a head shot would it take to lose motor skills? I have read it somewhere before, of how long it takes.

 

[milkmanjoe]

Calmly(like thats possible with a local bomb!) find a place to dive to, run to, roll to, jump and fly to, but get away. Like it was said before, no way to know what the bomb consists of, and remote detonation is possible/probable.
Shoot if you get to cover to keep him from getting close to you after retreat.
I like the question no matter how improbable it is, makes a guy think!

 

[brownie]

I just got done reading the Taser/Pepper Spray thread so I got to thinking on the extreme side of things. Here's a scenario and I'd like to see how any concealed carrying member here would handle it.

You're out and about and for some odd reason a suicide bomber has targeted you. You're about 15 feet away, give or take. The bomber had a deadman switch. What is your defense? Is your firearm now useless? Curious.

The scenario is so extreme, in fact, that it borders on the ridiculously improbable side of scenarios. Suicide bombers don't "target" one person first of all. Secondly, you'd have to be clairvoyant to determine he's wired with explosives and even near you. Third, there isn't anything you can do that's reliably going to be able to stop him if he's determined to detonate in your vicinity.

Suicide bombers don't announce their intentions or that they are wired, they just explode themselves and those around them. How did the pepper spray/taser thread get to thinking about this scenario?

Brownie

 

[Knapper]

I'm with the dive camp here. You never know if he is remote wired, and a head shot will just activate the dead-man switch.... I'd not want to be the one that detonated a bomb by accidentally shooting it.

I'd say grab someone close to you, and find some cover quick. Get on the horn to 9-11.

Someone with a gun even showing it to you, I'd think that you can identify that threat, what if it's a lunatic with a roll of duct tape strapped to him looking to commit suicide by cop? Bombs are too tricky, I'd run and hide.
Jess

 

[45Freak]

I'm with Brownie on this one. lots of time and effort would be put into an attack like this to be wasted on one person target. I'm not a high profile target. If you were such a high profile target he would have a hard time getting near you and a bullet proof vest would deployed if I were not in my armored transport

 

[Random Shot]

Duck behind the nearest fat man. Shouldn't have to go too far to find one in the US. :rolf (btw, I'm not fat, I'm "fluffy")

 

[milkmanjoe]

Duck behind the nearest fat man. Shouldn't have to go too far to find one in the US. :rolf (btw, I'm not fat, I'm "fluffy")

I'm with ya there, would type faster but I have................ a cheeseburger in one hand!!!!

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

The scenario is so extreme, in fact, that it borders on the ridiculously improbable side of scenarios. Suicide bombers don't "target" one person first of all. Secondly, you'd have to be clairvoyant to determine he's wired with explosives and even near you. Third, there isn't anything you can do that's reliably going to be able to stop him if he's determined to detonate in your vicinity.

Suicide bombers don't announce their intentions or that they are wired, they just explode themselves and those around them. How did the pepper spray/taser thread get to thinking about this scenario?

Brownie

Brownie, you are so spot on, I almost don't even want to comment on this insipid scenario. Yeah...like that's gonna happen.

MZA, if you're CSI enough to recognize a homicide bomber, let alone one with a deadman switch (doesn't happen), RUN.

But, to play your game....ummmmm....you don't shoot someone holding a deadman switch. You control the thumb on the button, and when he bites your dumb axx (because you didn't RUN), you take him down and let go and sacrifice yourself for the greater good.

Put the bong down before posting, will ya?

 

[MZA119]

Hehe, I actually haven't hit the bong in a good while. Thanks for the reminder though!

And Brownie, the Taser/Spray thread got me thinking of this because, like a lot of the threads I read here, the solution is to draw your firearm. So, I wanted to think of a situation to where the firearm would pretty much be useless; looks like I did a decent job.

As far as improbable, sure, it is. This was all for hypothetical fun anyways. But who knows, maybe you're a dead ringer for somebody else that the guy was after and they wanted to take out innocents as well. Stranger things have happened.

Just trying to make sure all my problems don't look like nails.

 

[Mac45]

Hey, I liked this scenario. You could suddenly find yourself standing near a guy wearing a long coat or robe muttering to himself in arabic or farsi. You just might want to get as far away from this guy as possible. It is nice to be reminded that not every problem should be confronted head-on.

By the way, I know of no one, except swat and certain military snipers and sharpshooters who actively train for confronting this type of threat. Inside the blast radius, you don't stand much of a chance.

 

[Endangered Species]

Maybe someone's writing a Hollywood script...

 

[brownie]

Hehe, I actually haven't hit the bong in a good while. Thanks for the reminder though!

And Brownie, the Taser/Spray thread got me thinking of this because, like a lot of the threads I read here, the solution is to draw your firearm. So, I wanted to think of a situation to where the firearm would pretty much be useless; looks like I did a decent job.

As far as improbable, sure, it is. This was all for hypothetical fun anyways. But who knows, maybe you're a dead ringer for somebody else that the guy was after and they wanted to take out innocents as well. Stranger things have happened.

Just trying to make sure all my problems don't look like nails.

Actually, I find more threads where the gun is not the proper solution here than the other way around.

Re: the italics: I find the plausibility of being a dead ringer for some Jihadist Islamic radical with a suicide bomb mentality looking for one person at the extreme end of the realistic scenario based what if myself.

I prefer to spend my time thinking of more realistic possibilities to prevent my demise and preparing for that which has a greater chance of actually occuring on the streets of the US.

Being realistic in one's approach to SD and training for them begins with realistic hypotheticals or those with the higher probability. I'll not waste my time training for the suicide bomber scenario based on the probability of running into one. Even you admit it's improbable.

Brownie

 

[Paladin]

Agreed that the scenario in question is rather far out. Not likely to happen here.

But given the stated parameter getting out off harms way would be the best approach. Any action you take towards shooting the guy would result in him releasing the deadman's switch and you needing a body bag.

 

[deadeyedick]

I prefer to spend my time thinking of more realistic possibilities to prevent my demise and preparing for that which has a greater chance of actually occuring on the streets of the US.

Yeah, like engaging zombies, aliens, U.N. troops, etc. :rolf

 

[MZA119]

Just to clarify, I never said anything about training for this scenario; I simply asked the question for fun. I like to exercise not just my body but also my mind. That's how I spend my time. I'm pretty sure the world isn't out to get me. :rolf

 

[SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE]

hopefully !!

Scotty will beam me up before the blast !!