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A few years ago I was in a K.F.C. in Port Orange fl. sitting in a booth eating my chicken when a scrubby looking younger man of color came in and scoped out the dining room and went back out. I carried a J-Frame 38 back then and removed it from my holster and laid it on my lap.
In a few minutes the young man came back in and there were five other guys with him. They just went to the counter and ordered food and came in and sat down to eat.
All was good and I guess that looks can be deceiving.
I finished eating and went out to see a couple of construction trucks in the parking lot.
Ronnie
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What is nice is when you carry in a good OWB at 3:eek:clock, It is sooooo easy to remove your gun if needed without a lot of squirming around calling attention.
I still carry OWB at 3 and always will.
 

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We don’t eat “out” very often anymore. We’ve kind of gotten in to cooking at home. The wife’s cooking is better IMHO. Occasionally we’ll grab carry out. But when we do eat there I generally try to face the door and the room. We prefer a booth but booths are not an option anymore unless that’s all they have. I can’t scooch around on a bench anymore to get in or out.
 

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Prefer to be able to see the entrance or as much of the area inside as possible. Only get that view when out with others who don't carry though (usually all women).
Mostly, I eat at home anyway unless meeting up with members here, and I'm not asking ya'll to switch with me
 

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It appears that on this question, racer and myself are of quite similar mindsets.
Same here… expect when having lunch with you two. I will allow you to protect me.


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The shooting in Texas last week got me thinking. How do you position yourself when in a restaurant/diner? Do you choose a booth or a table with chairs? Facing the doors? Near to an emergency exit? How do you set yourself up for success/survival?
Rule number 1, Never put your back to any possibility of being blindsided. Always face any opposition that may occur. 2. Position is fundamental in protecting you and others. Military training spec-ops 101.
You are taking point to ensure you have the advantage not the intruder, ever.
 

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Rule number 1, Never put your back to any possibility of being blindsided. Always face any opposition that may occur. 2. Position is fundamental in protecting you and others. Military training spec-ops 101.
You are taking point to ensure you have the advantage not the intruder, ever.
More like sentry duty for me. I wasn't an operator :D
 

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Operators used to switch phone lines and answer calls. That's the most absurd name for a grunt they could come up with
 

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A booth can be more confining than a chair, because it's easier to knock a chair over than slide out of a booth in an emergency. Back against the wall if possible, with a view of the entrances/exits is a given. I also like to have a view of wherever the staff hangs out, such as the cash register.
 

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A booth can be more confining than a chair, because it's easier to knock a chair over than slide out of a booth in an emergency. Back against the wall if possible, with a view of the entrances/exits is a given. I also like to have a view of wherever the staff hangs out, such as the cash register.
Somewhat more confining than a table/chair location, however the booth affords the opportunity to draw unnoticed. Given notice something may go down, or it's going down right then, I can draw from seated unseen by others.

Pluses and minus' to each. I prefer a booth myself for the reason stated
 

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Somewhat more confining than a table/chair location, however the booth affords the opportunity to draw unnoticed. Given notice something may go down, or it's going down right then, I can draw from seated unseen by others.

Pluses and minus' to each. I prefer a booth myself for the reason stated
The ability to draw and fire while seated at a booth is, IMO, a critical aspect when considering one's carry kit.
 

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The ability to draw and fire while seated at a booth is, IMO, a critical aspect when considering one's carry kit.
I've been to training where you were seated and had to draw and fire on threats without getting up out of the chair [ and at least one IPSC COF started off seated taking threats. Of course it's a critical aspect of SD with a pistol.

People are fond of believing they need to stand and square to the target to deliver effective fire on some turd threatening life. Why? Because they've never done anything but fire standing squared to the target. We live in a 360 world, one should be able to put effective fire out on a threat seated, laying on their back shooting between their legs, upside down and backwards [ you may fall that way and have to engage, you think you've got time to spin around, stand up and engage? Best of luck when time is in short supply and the choices you make likely determine whether you survive or not.

Staying alive with a pistol is a thinking mans game. I've had students shoot upside down and over their heads, laying on their left and right sides and between the legs at threats. A first for all but a few, something the brain needs to know it can do so if and when the time comes you're knocked down and have to draw and fire, you're not of the mindset you have to jump up to to defend yourself and throw lead
 

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I've been to training where you were seated and had to draw and fire on threats without getting up out of the chair [ and at least one IPSC COF started off seated taking threats. Of course it's a critical aspect of SD with a pistol.

People are fond of believing they need to stand and square to the target to deliver effective fire on some turd threatening life. Why? Because they've never done anything but fire standing squared to the target. We live in a 360 world, one should be able to put effective fire out on a threat seated, laying on their back shooting between their legs, upside down and backwards [ you may fall that way and have to engage, you think you've got time to spin around, stand up and engage? Best of luck when time is in short supply and the choices you make likely determine whether you survive or not.

Staying alive with a pistol is a thinking mans game.,
I only recall running this scenario once in a class. Shooters were seated in fold-up chairs at an eight-foot folding table. The prescribed default was to quickly stand, knocking the chair backward, draw and fire at a paper silhouette about five yards away. Think monkeys and footballs.

Most of this stuff, one has to figure out and work out on one's own. Discussions like this one hopefully help.
 
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