[kenny senter]

took my .45 and my .40 to the range yesterday and fired some rounds through both to remain familiar with them. I shoot well with the .45 (both same model, Taurus 24/7) so I know Im shooting well enough to judge that the .40 is shooting low. Target was about 15 yds out and it shot consistently low through 3 different shooters, just to rule out possibilities. I think I need a lower front sight. Is this something that can be done by myself? Or does a local gunsmith need to take care of this? Or is this something that even needs to be sent back to manufacturer? The gun is a Taurus 24/7 pro .40. There is a set screw on top of the front sight and it looks pretty simular to a glocks front sight, although I cant say for certain its exactly the same.

 

[Red Dawg]

Can you change the elevation (up and down) on the rear site? If you can, you may need to try that first.

 

[deadeyedick]

One method to raise the point of impact with fixed sight guns is to file down the front sight a little bit at a time. But make sure you shoot it off a rest first, to make sure it's actually the sights that are off and not the whole lot of you flinching and pulling the shots low. :laughing

 

[kenny senter]

deadeye, not sure that is gonna work. Its got white dot sights, so unless I filed underneath, the white dots would still be aligned, but the sight would just be shorter overall. Thats not the idea. If I filed underneath, the sight wouldnt fit into its grooved slot anymore. Good idea on "ol iron sights" though.

 

[brownie]

deadeye, not sure that is gonna work. Its got white dot sights, so unless I filed underneath, the white dots would still be aligned, but the sight would just be shorter overall. Thats not the idea. If I filed underneath, the sight wouldnt fit into its grooved slot anymore. Good idea on "ol iron sights" though.

Ignore the white dots, try to top of the front sight level with the top of the rear sight. Get back to us if this changes anything.

You didn't mention how low at 15 yrds, if it's an inch or two, forget about it and leave it alone. You may also want to try different ammo and bullet weights before doing anything to the gun.

Brownie

 

[SGB]

Ignore the white dots, try to top of the front sight level with the top of the rear sight. Get back to us if this changes anything.

You didn't mention how low at 15 yrds, if it's an inch or two, forget about it and leave it alone. You may also want to try different ammo and bullet weights before doing anything to the gun.

Brownie

Listen to Brownine. :thumsup

 

[T.S.]

Not knowing how much experience you have had shooting, I would offer this advice before you physically alter your firearm.

Are you holding a proper sight alignment? If not, it can throw off your grouping.

Check this out and see if this is what you are doing when shooting the firearm.

 

[Mac45]

Don't be in a big hurry to alter your front sight. As most of the previous posters advised, do a little experimentation with the firearm, first. Different ammo loadings can alter POI. Manufacturers sometime adjust the POA-POI relationship of their weapons by changing from a center bull POA to a bottom of bull [6o'clock] POA or vice-versa [I don't understand the logic behind this, but it happens]. Different weight and balance and grip dimensions can also effect POI.

Besides, if it turns out that the POI is a consistant distance below POA, just hold over at that range. If it is small enough, simply ignore it. If it really bothers you, I would swap out the rear sight for an adjustable and then you can dial in the POI for any round you want.

Have fun.

 

[kenny senter]

well, its about an inch to inch and half low at 15 yards. It shoots a consistent group, just low. I could certainly try to use the top of the front sight and that probably would compensate plenty. As far as familiarity goes, I have been shooting almost my entire 28 years as of age 4 or so. I know how proper sight picture and such. Not a problem you asking though, how would you have known? no problem. Think I will try this method.

Ammo is kinda a pain right now in selecting an ammo and keeping with that ammo. I'm kinda in a "whatever I can find" stage right now, haha. I also shoot Blazer Brass at the range but keep Winchester SXZ loaded at the house. I've found myself carrying the .45 anyhow but still want the house gun to be good to go in every and all situations.

thanks all

 

[deadeyedick]

Listen to Brownine. :thumsup

Who the hell is Brownine? :rolf

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Kenny, with the 3-dot sights, I've found that POI varies greatly from gun to gun, even within the same manufacturer's line. With some, the dot is POA/POI. With others, the top of the sight is POA/POI.

I certainly would not start fiddling with sights for an inch at 15 yards, unless you just want to replace them with night sights or another manufacturer's sights.

Have fun with whatever you decide to do! :drinks

 

[T.S.]

well, its about an inch to inch and half low at 15 yards. It shoots a consistent group, just low. I could certainly try to use the top of the front sight and that probably would compensate plenty. As far as familiarity goes, I have been shooting almost my entire 28 years as of age 4 or so. I know how proper sight picture and such. Not a problem you asking though, how would you have known? no problem. Think I will try this method.

Ya know, I got to thinking about this and I decided that even if you are hitting 1" to 1 1/2" low at 15 yards, if you get into a self-defense scenario, and if you aim centermass on the BG, your still going to hit " vitals " ( ie: heart, lungs, abdomen ) so that is really not a major problem.

 

[Hodawg]

Ignore the white dots, try to top of the front sight level with the top of the rear sight. Get back to us if this changes anything.

You didn't mention how low at 15 yrds, if it's an inch or two, forget about it and leave it alone. You may also want to try different ammo and bullet weights before doing anything to the gun.

Brownie

+1 on what Brownie said. Generally, left or right is a grip/trigger pull issue. Shooting consistently down is sometimes a result of the shooter "pushing" the weapon at the target. However, since you have no issues with the same weapon in .45, and the fact that your friends had the same problem with the .40, it could be the sights after all. But before altering the weapon, heed Brownie's advice first. Try different ammo with different bullet weights and configurations. I've noticed very noticeable performance/placement differences in the same weapon using heavier or lighter bullet weights, as well as the difference between hydro-shocks and standard hollow points. Do some experimenting before doing some gunsmithing.

Beers Kenny,
Ken

 

[brownie]

well, its about an inch to inch and half low at 15 yards. It shoots a consistent group, just low. I could certainly try to use the top of the front sight and that probably would compensate plenty. As far as familiarity goes, I have been shooting almost my entire 28 years as of age 4 or so. I know how proper sight picture and such. Not a problem you asking though, how would you have known? no problem. Think I will try this method.

Ammo is kinda a pain right now in selecting an ammo and keeping with that ammo. I'm kinda in a "whatever I can find" stage right now, haha. I also shoot Blazer Brass at the range but keep Winchester SXZ loaded at the house. I've found myself carrying the .45 anyhow but still want the house gun to be good to go in every and all situations.

thanks all

The Taurus 24/7 is not a target gun, it's a fighting gun. As such, you should not expect it to shoot POA/POI exactly. 1-1/2" low at 15 yrds would be 1/2-3/4" low at 7 yrds and that range is going to be further than you'll ever have to use the gun defensively in all but the rare exception.

Think keeping all your rounds inside that magic 8" circle combatively. That's the average size of a humans head. Place that 8" requirement centered on a persons chest and you'll usually get the results you are looking for in a gunfight.

Now if we look at the 8" circle and your groups were 1-1 1/2" low from your POA, you still have at least 2 1/2" below that POA to stay inside the 8" circle. Quite acceptable for combat accuracy under stress with a gun that's not designed to be a super accurate target gun to begin with.

I'd think about increasing your speed on threat staying within the 8" circle with multiple hits instead of worrying about the gun shooting minimally low from POA at 15 yrds. When you can get 3-4 rds inside that 8" circle in 1.5 seconds from 15 yrds, move it up a notch and shoot 7 yrds with 3-4 rds on threat inside that 8" circle in 1 second. When you can get to that level, now do the same thing one handed, and when you get to that level, move it up a notch and go for 3-4 rds on threat inside that circle one handed from 4 yrds while moving.

Get to that level, the POA/POI you are worried about will be a non issue in a gunfight.

Brownie

 

[Evo1]

As a couple of people have already said, ignore the white dots. Their purpose is to allow your eyes to acquire the sights more quickly, not to aim with. They are not applied in the factory with any precision. Use your sights properly, as Brownie and TampaSsgt have explained. That, by itself, may fix your problem.