[RadTek]

As previously said, "There’s a whole lot of stupid going on in that video."

It seems like, in an awful lot of these cases, there is a whole lot of stupid on both sides. Follow the rule, "just don't be stupid," and it seems like you avoid about 90% of these incidents!

100% if you can stow your ego and NOT STOP.

This!

I honestly have even tried to stop honking at these bozos. It’s best to just avoid them. They usually know what they’ve done and watch for your reaction. Plenty of self-important douchenozzles out there itching for a confrontation. They aren’t worth it and getting jazzed up about their stupidity just plays into their game.

I’m not saying I’m perfect. It’s easier said than done. But if you avoided the accident, biting your tongue and letting them go is the wiser choice these days IMHO. Getting into a peeing contest is how you can end up social media famous like this.

 

[bladenbullet]

DRT....short version...

 

[RadTek]

DRT....short version...

I’ll bet your fun at parties.
You’re taking all the joy out of beating a dead horse. 🤣

 

[7.62Kolectr]

Play it out differently. It’s Florida and he had a permit so things may lean his way. But if in the video we saw does he walk if he popped the guy in the head? He drew after the swipe so it seems to me like I said the ‘attack’ was over. Goes home that night? Gets arrested on the spot? DA reviews things and sees he could have avoided it by not stopping and since he did he brought the result on himself and arrests him later?
🤔

 

[Mass Transplant]

Play it out differently. It’s Florida and he had a permit so things may lean his way. But if in the video we saw does he walk if he popped the guy in the head? He drew after the swipe so it seems to me like I said the ‘attack’ was over. Goes home that night? Gets arrested on the spot? DA reviews things and sees he could have avoided it by not stopping and since he did he brought the result on himself and arrests him later?
🤔

Lots of ways to look at this and a lot of 'what ifs' here. The guy comes out of his truck with a knife, wow, he should have just kept going and called 911 or drive to a police station. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. I think the guy with the knife maybe thought the biker would have just gone on his way once he saw the knife. Crazy stuff I always try to avoid. In the end it ain't worth it, no winners.

 

[7.62Kolectr]

Lots of ways to look at this and a lot of 'what ifs' here. The guy comes out of his truck with a knife, wow, he should have just kept going and called 911 or drive to a police station. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. I think the guy with the knife maybe thought the biker would have just gone on his way once he saw the knife. Crazy stuff I always try to avoid. In the end it ain't worth it, no winners.

I’m still looking for what the hive thinks would happen if he had shot the guy. Many here said ‘if he exits with a knife than it’s game on’. Ok so you think you’re justified. And you might actually be. Just wondering if we all think he would walk without worry? I kinda think he’d get charged. So many other things he could have done to avoid bringing that pot to a boil.

 

[bladenbullet]

I’ll bet your fun at parties.
You’re taking all the joy out of beating a dead horse. 🤣

Hide the lampshades...

 

[bladenbullet]

...

 

[brownie]

I’m still looking for what the hive thinks would happen if he had shot the guy. Many here said ‘if he exits with a knife than it’s game on’. Ok so you think you’re justified. And you might actually be. Just wondering if we all think he would walk without worry? I kinda think he’d get charged. So many other things he could have done to avoid bringing that pot to a boil.

So he followed him, he's not in a cage to be able to use the phone to call 911. Following someone isn't a crime. Coming out of your vehicle with a deadly weapon in a threatening manner [ an upraised knife ] is a crime.

What's the criteria in Fla for deadly force use? You know, so the answer is pretty straight forward. The motor rider didn't commit a crime by following him, the cager committed a a crime exiting in a threatening manner with a deadly weapon. What are the cops trained against a blade? 21 feet being threatened with a knife, they can drop the turd as it's been proven within that distance, it's an "imminent threat".

Could an aggressive DA still charge the motor rider? Sure, would he be convicted? Of what is the question, he hadn't committed a crime by following him.

 

[7.62Kolectr]

So he followed him, he's not in a cage to be able to use the phone to call 911. Following someone isn't a crime. Coming out of your vehicle with a deadly weapon in a threatening manner [ an upraised knife ] is a crime.

What's the criteria in Fla for deadly force use? You know, so the answer is pretty straight forward. The motor rider didn't commit a crime by following him, the cager committed a a crime exiting in a threatening manner with a deadly weapon. What are the cops trained against a blade? 21 feet being threatened with a knife, they can drop the turd as it's been proven within that distance, it's an "imminent threat".

Could an aggressive DA still charge the motor rider? Sure, would he be convicted? Of what is the question, he hadn't committed a crime by following him.

For interjecting himself into it. We’ve had many threads similar. Had the cager followed him than I’d think differently. But the biker obliged the road rage by stopping and continuing the argument. He could have just kept on riding. That’s the angle I see. He stopped and placed himself into a confrontation that became worse. Does he bear any blame for that? Can you ignore other easier solutions and continue to escalate then claim SD?

 

[bladenbullet]

i dopnt know why the big mouth woman has to always be a theme in these type of incidents...her mouth is liable to get them in more trouble than anything else...there's nothing like a roadside lawyer to raise the stakes...

 

[brownie]

For interjecting himself into it. We’ve had many threads similar. Had the cager followed him than I’d think differently. But the biker obliged the road rage by stopping and continuing the argument. He could have just kept on riding. That’s the angle I see. He stopped and placed himself into a confrontation that became worse. Does he bear any blame for that? Can you ignore other easier solutions and continue to escalate then claim SD?

When the biker followed that woman [ discussed here previously ] who ran in the house and came out threatening him with a gun and he popped her [ where she died ] he was NOT charged with a crime. It's basically the same scenario here. The biker in that scenario wasn't charged for obliging road rage.

He didn't escalate anything and having an argument at the side of the road, though not wise, isn't a chargeable offense AFAIK.

 

[7.62Kolectr]

i dopnt know why the big mouth woman has to always be a theme in these type of incidents...her mouth is liable to get them in more trouble than anything else...there's nothing like a roadside lawyer to raise the stakes...

With all due respect to women and men who ride look at his vest and dress as well as her mouth. Probably not the first time both have been in similar situation.

 

[Rick McC.]

Play it out differently. It’s Florida and he had a permit so things may lean his way. But if in the video we saw does he walk if he popped the guy in the head? He drew after the swipe so it seems to me like I said the ‘attack’ was over. Goes home that night? Gets arrested on the spot? DA reviews things and sees he could have avoided it by not stopping and since he did he brought the result on himself and arrests him later?
🤔

I seriously doubt that the attack was “over” after one swipe; and I’d have strongly reacted to his attack before he got close enough to swipe.

If he did get to make a swipe, I’d have defended myself before waiting even a fraction of a second to see if he was going to take another swipe, or not.

 

[brownie]

I seriously doubt that the attack was “over” after one swipe; and I’d have strongly reacted to his attack before he got close enough to swipe.

If he did get to make a swipe, I’d have defended myself before waiting even a fraction of a second to see if he was going to take another swipe, or not.

Even IF that was the end of a physical attack, he's tried to incur grave bodily harm or death upon the motor rider. Couple that with the fact he's considered an imminent threat with knife in hand at that distance, he who would hesitate here to respond with equal force [ deadly force ] is a novice, fears drawing a gun even in the face of an imminent threat with all 3 criteria for deadly force use present or doesn't recognize the threat that knife represents is a fool.

 

[joecarry]

Seems to me you have two fools, both with deadly weapons in their hands, and both not really intent to use them. That’s a good thing as they are both still alive, hopefully to learn from being stupid and not repeat the next time. But probably not.

 

[p51mustang36]

This happened 5 miles from my house.
Hypothetically, a guy comes out of his car with a knife, my gun comes out before any words are spoken. The biker waited until he got swiped at before he drew. That's a deadly weapon, especially for someone on blood thinners who could bleed out from a deep cut.
That said, I have four wheels so I stay in the car and drive off.

A KNIFE in hand can be in your neck or chest in 1 second from 21 feet distance. The knife welder knows where to rush. You have to react. Tuller drill. Look it up.

 

[BeerHunter]

A KNIFE in hand can be in your neck or chest in 1 second from 21 feet distance. The knife welder knows where to rush. You have to react. Tuller drill. Look it up.

Careful here! First off, it's "Tueller" vice Tuller. Second, it's approximately 21 ft in approximately 1.5 seconds, and it was never meant to be used as a "shoot or no-shoot" decision point, only to inform LEOs on Tueller's experimentation which showed that the average healthy adult male can cover a distance of seven yards (21 feet) in about 1.5 seconds. Tueller wanted to help LEOs develop a more defensive mindset and that meant separating the possible from the implausible.

 

[brownie]

Careful here! First off, it's "Tueller" vice Tuller. Second, it's approximately 21 ft in approximately 1.5 seconds, and it was never meant to be used as a "shoot or no-shoot" decision point, only to inform LEOs on Tueller's experimentation which showed that the average healthy adult male can cover a distance of seven yards (21 feet) in about 1.5 seconds. Tueller wanted to help LEOs develop a more defensive mindset and that meant separating the possible from the implausible.

Tueller's work was misunderstood for years before someone actually interviewed him and expressed what you said above.

 

[edgehill]

Tueller's work was misunderstood for years before someone actually interviewed him and expressed what you said above.

And as the FoF class showed, even practicing the Tueller drill, there are ways to avoid the knife without having to draw and shoot.