Gander Mountain has had good deals on firearms recently. That's where I picked up my AR.
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How long have you had your Glock? I have had the Sigma just over 3 months so I hope to eventually get to 6k myself. Glocks have been on the market for considerable more time than the Sigma also so I would say that they would have the majority of the market share. No one said that the Glock wasn't a superior weapon and hasn't proven itself through the test of time. What I said was just because you love the Glock is no reason to put every other gun down. If that wasn't the case then you would've said for a 100.00 more you can get a Sig or some other gun. All Glock people do the exact same thing, suggest the one gun that they feel is superior to all other weapons on the planet, a GLOCK. Furthermore, the fact that you abuse your gun by firing it 6k times without cleaning it doesn't impress me. It tells me that you want to teach bad habits to new gun owners in an attempt to prove how reliable one gun is over another. He should clean his gun after each tirip to the range. Do you take a bath every 6k days? I'm sure you could go that long but it isn't advisable.
opcorn
How long have you had your Glock?
This one I'm talking about since 1988.
I have had the Sigma just over 3 months so I hope to eventually get to 6k myself.
That's 6K between cleanings, not total rds count
Glocks have been on the market for considerable more time than the Sigma also so I would say that they would have the majority of the market share.
Sigma's have been on the market plenty long enough for some major LE agency or military to pick them up as their issued weapon----- that hasn't happened for some reason, we both know why.
What I said was just because you love the Glock is no reason to put every other gun down.
I don't put every other gun down, I support several other manufacturers models and carry a sig220, 226, 228, or a CZ 75D or the HK P7/PSP etc on a fairly regular basis. I don't "love" any gun. They are just pieces of equipment that I demand be ultra reliable where my life is concerned.
Today I'm carrying my Sig220 and will likely stay with this gun for the rest of the week. I don't see how that makes me a glock person. It's seems it's easy for others to think that because someone carries a glock more often than not and supports the premise that those guns are remarkably reliable [ reliability is a major concern when you've chased BG's and there was a real chance of having to use your firearm vs. the chance some civilian with a CCW might have to defend himself ] that they are automatically a "glock person", but we know that would be an absolute and as such, incorrect.
If that wasn't the case then you would've said for a 100.00 more you can get a Sig or some other gun.
That's an assumption on your part with no basis in fact, see above.
All Glock people do the exact same thing , suggest the one gun that they feel is superior to all other weapons on the planet, a GLOCK.
I don't believe in absolutes.
Furthermore, the fact that you abuse your gun by firing it 6k times without cleaning it doesn't impress me. It tells me that you want to teach bad habits to new gun owners in an attempt to prove how reliable one gun is over another.
Putting 6K through that trainer glock before cleaning it isn't abusing it in the least. It can take that and much more use if I wanted to make it so. The gun was completely broken down by the Glock Doctor out here in Az for the first time last summer at a round count of around 82K to determine if it needed anything replaced [ I'm an end user and don't work on guns ]. It needed nothing but a good soaking from all the carbonization on some of the smaller internal parts. If not cleaning it regularly was abusing it, it would have needed some parts replaced along the way to it's present 97K+ round count.
The trainer glock 17 is the proving glock. All my carry weapons are clean and ready for duty on the streets, thats only prudent. I didn't suggest this gun was a carry gun I use to defend myself with.
He should clean his gun after each tirip to the range.
I agree, a weapon used to potentially defend yourself should be cleaned, lubed and as ready for service as it can be on the streets. On the other hand, a training gun that is reliable up to at least 6K and isn't carried on the streets doesn't need that attention unless it's a gun that can't run that long before it pukes.
I hold no ill will toward the Sigmas as I believe they are a fairly reliable firearm. What I require for reliability on the streets isn't what another would require or be willing to accept. However, having had to rely on my choices to keep me alive while walking into lions dens day after day for some 30 years, where the risks were greater than just an ordinary citizen would expect in a lifetime, my choices had to be the right choices based on reliability and not price.
I knew men who died in Vietnam for lack of a weapon that functioned when it was needed based on the govt's idea of what was reliable, which turns out has never been the best choice for our troops. I don't take the risks others are willing to accept based on the premise they probably will nev er need to use their firearm on the streets to begin with, and I'll not accept the idea "it's relaible enough" until the gun has been proven to me. That's not going to inculde the Sigma. It's also not going to be any Sig made in Exeter, NH either, though I'll carry a W. German Sig all day with confidence and do from time to time.
I most certainly DID NOT spend over 30K in high level professional training with my own money over two decades to then pick a firearm to save 100.00. We each make our own choices as to the risks we're willing to take, to each their own in that regard. I do have opinions based on decades of working the streets professioanlly and seeing which guns puke more often than others in my classes. Informing people of those observations isn't being a glock guy or any other gun guy, it's simply relating experiences for others to make a more informed decision.
Brownie
This one I'm talking about since 1988.
I have had the Sigma just over 3 months so I hope to eventually get to 6k myself.
That's 6K between cleanings, not total rds count
Glocks have been on the market for considerable more time than the Sigma also so I would say that they would have the majority of the market share.
Sigma's have been on the market plenty long enough for some major LE agency or military to pick them up as their issued weapon----- that hasn't happened for some reason, we both know why.
What I said was just because you love the Glock is no reason to put every other gun down.
I don't put every other gun down, I support several other manufacturers models and carry a sig220, 226, 228, or a CZ 75D or the HK P7/PSP etc on a fairly regular basis. I don't "love" any gun. They are just pieces of equipment that I demand be ultra reliable where my life is concerned.
Today I'm carrying my Sig220 and will likely stay with this gun for the rest of the week. I don't see how that makes me a glock person. It's seems it's easy for others to think that because someone carries a glock more often than not and supports the premise that those guns are remarkably reliable [ reliability is a major concern when you've chased BG's and there was a real chance of having to use your firearm vs. the chance some civilian with a CCW might have to defend himself ] that they are automatically a "glock person", but we know that would be an absolute and as such, incorrect.
If that wasn't the case then you would've said for a 100.00 more you can get a Sig or some other gun.
That's an assumption on your part with no basis in fact, see above.
All Glock people do the exact same thing , suggest the one gun that they feel is superior to all other weapons on the planet, a GLOCK.
I don't believe in absolutes.
Furthermore, the fact that you abuse your gun by firing it 6k times without cleaning it doesn't impress me. It tells me that you want to teach bad habits to new gun owners in an attempt to prove how reliable one gun is over another.
Putting 6K through that trainer glock before cleaning it isn't abusing it in the least. It can take that and much more use if I wanted to make it so. The gun was completely broken down by the Glock Doctor out here in Az for the first time last summer at a round count of around 82K to determine if it needed anything replaced [ I'm an end user and don't work on guns
]. It needed nothing but a good soaking from all the carbonization on some of the smaller internal parts. If not cleaning it regularly was abusing it, it would have needed some parts replaced along the way to it's present 97K+ round count.The trainer glock 17 is the proving glock. All my carry weapons are clean and ready for duty on the streets, thats only prudent. I didn't suggest this gun was a carry gun I use to defend myself with.
He should clean his gun after each tirip to the range.
I agree, a weapon used to potentially defend yourself should be cleaned, lubed and as ready for service as it can be on the streets. On the other hand, a training gun that is reliable up to at least 6K and isn't carried on the streets doesn't need that attention unless it's a gun that can't run that long before it pukes.
I hold no ill will toward the Sigmas as I believe they are a fairly reliable firearm. What I require for reliability on the streets isn't what another would require or be willing to accept. However, having had to rely on my choices to keep me alive while walking into lions dens day after day for some 30 years, where the risks were greater than just an ordinary citizen would expect in a lifetime, my choices had to be the right choices based on reliability and not price.
I knew men who died in Vietnam for lack of a weapon that functioned when it was needed based on the govt's idea of what was reliable, which turns out has never been the best choice for our troops. I don't take the risks others are willing to accept based on the premise they probably will nev er need to use their firearm on the streets to begin with, and I'll not accept the idea "it's relaible enough" until the gun has been proven to me. That's not going to inculde the Sigma. It's also not going to be any Sig made in Exeter, NH either, though I'll carry a W. German Sig all day with confidence and do from time to time.
I most certainly DID NOT spend over 30K in high level professional training with my own money over two decades to then pick a firearm to save 100.00. We each make our own choices as to the risks we're willing to take, to each their own in that regard. I do have opinions based on decades of working the streets professioanlly and seeing which guns puke more often than others in my classes. Informing people of those observations isn't being a glock guy or any other gun guy, it's simply relating experiences for others to make a more informed decision.
Brownie
uponone.
I posted "The Sigmas are being issued to the Iraqi police------ they aren't carried by any LE agency in this country that I know of presently, however the glock owns 80% of the LE market here in the US.
That speaks volumes if you take the time to listen."
a few posts back. The gun is apparently deemed acceptable to issue to the Iraqi's but not American LE or military--------- This could well be a very good move on the part of those who decided to issue them to those people. God forbid we are no longer allied with them one day and they have Glocks in their hands the next time we get back over there and they are now against us with weapons we gave them earlier. It's happened for decades before that we supply an ally with weapons which are later used against us--------now I've got to wonder if someone in the decision making process has finally figured out we shouldn't be doing that, it costs American lives later.
We obviously don't think much of the Iraqi border police and national army if we are handing them these Sigma's instead of our own military/police issued Beretta's, Sigs, HK's and/or Glocks
Brownie
I posted "The Sigmas are being issued to the Iraqi police------ they aren't carried by any LE agency in this country that I know of presently, however the glock owns 80% of the LE market here in the US.
That speaks volumes if you take the time to listen."
a few posts back. The gun is apparently deemed acceptable to issue to the Iraqi's but not American LE or military--------- This could well be a very good move on the part of those who decided to issue them to those people. God forbid we are no longer allied with them one day and they have Glocks in their hands the next time we get back over there and they are now against us with weapons we gave them earlier. It's happened for decades before that we supply an ally with weapons which are later used against us--------now I've got to wonder if someone in the decision making process has finally figured out we shouldn't be doing that, it costs American lives later.
We obviously don't think much of the Iraqi border police and national army if we are handing them these Sigma's instead of our own military/police issued Beretta's, Sigs, HK's and/or Glocks
Brownie
uponone,
Ahh, now I understand sir
Brownie
Ahh, now I understand sir
Brownie
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