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:dancingbananaI ran across the Black Friday sales ad for Gander Mountain and they have a S&W Sigma series pistol with a Lazerlyte sight that is going to be on sale for $349.95 or without the Lazerlight for $299.95. Both of those prices are after a $50.00 mail in rebate!!!

i Think that sounds like a pretty good price to me, :thumsup I think i will try to be there for that sale!!!!:dancingbanana

What do the rest of yall think?
 

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Gander Mountain has had good deals on firearms recently. That's where I picked up my AR.
 

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I got a sigma 9veAF for $285 + the rebate or two mags. I took the two mags
so after tax and such i paid 305.53 out the door this was at Florida Gun Exchange.
 

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I have one now with about 600 rounds threw it ,so far so good.....Why should i stay away from it Brownie?
 

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The Sigmas enjoy a reputation for problems, always have since they've been out.

It's not a matter of if, but when, and the when scares me when my life depends on the gun working as expected.

For 100.00 more than a Sigma, you can get a used Glock [ which they copied ] that will be much more reliable for a whole lot longer than the Sigma will be alive.

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well I just got the two free mags in the mail today. So maybe ill see what ill get on trade towards something else. It don't hurt to ask ,and if the price stinks I'll keep it and save up for my next gun.
 

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Well, it's nice to know i made the right choice.

I ended up buying a Glock 19.

I figured it would last me the rest of my life, and possibly be handed down to my son.
 

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As usual Glock people want to talk bad about the Sigmas. The 1st gen Sigmas had issues but the new models are trouble free. The only thing the Sigma has that is bad is the heavy trigger. It is a built in safety feature. No way you can say that you accidently discharges the gun as you have to pull the trigger for it to fire. I have put 1500 rounds through my Sigma and have had no issues whatsoever. Plus S&W has the best support in the business. They will fix anything that goes wrong with the gun and pay shipping both ways for the life of the owner. Can Glock say that? You can actually send it in and they will lighten the trigger pull if you want free of cost. Don't let any naysayer put you against your weapon. The funny thing is they always say it will fail on you but out of all the forums I have been on I have not seen one bonafide post where someone said that their Sigma failed them in a defensive situation.
 

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The funny thing is they always say it will fail on you but out of all the forums I have been on I have not seen one bonafide post where someone said that their Sigma failed them in a defensive situation.

Perhaps that's because you don't see that many people carrying sigma's to begin with, coupled with the fact most civilians won't be involved in a SD situation where they'll use a firearm to begin with.

Can you cite any examples of any sigma's being used in a SD situation where that gun was used? I couldn't find any in a search on the net myself, perhaps you can cite any example of one even being used in that role.

I have put 1500 rounds through my Sigma and have had no issues whatsoever.

That's good to know, congratulations on getting one that runs well. Now, when your sigma can run 6K+ between cleanings regularly without a malf and gets to 97K+ rounds without one function problem I'll be very impressed. 1500 rds though your sigma? Using 1.5K through a gun in an attempt to prove reliability doesn't impress those who can run 6 times that through a glock without cleaning it regularly.

The Sigmas are being issued to the Iraqi police------ they aren't carried by any LE agency in this country that I know of presently, however the glock owns 80% of the LE market here in the US.

That speaks volumes if you take the time to listen.

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The funny thing is they always say it will fail on you but out of all the forums I have been on I have not seen one bonafide post where someone said that their Sigma failed them in a defensive situation.

Perhaps that's because you don't see that many people carrying sigma's to begin with, coupled with the fact most civilians won't be involved in a SD situation where they'll use a firearm to begin with.

Can you cite any examples of any sigma's being used in a SD situation where that gun was used? I couldn't find any in a search on the net myself, perhaps you can cite any example of one even being used in that role.

I have put 1500 rounds through my Sigma and have had no issues whatsoever.

That's good to know, congratulations on getting one that runs well. Now, when your sigma can run 6K+ between cleanings regularly without a malf and gets to 97K+ rounds without one function problem I'll be very impressed. 1500 rds though your sigma? Using 1.5K through a gun in an attempt to prove reliability doesn't impress those who can run 6 times that through a glock without cleaning it regularly.

The Sigmas are being issued to the Iraqi police------ they aren't carried by any LE agency in this country that I know of presently, however the glock owns 80% of the LE market here in the US.

That speaks volumes if you take the time to listen.

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How long have you had your Glock? I have had the Sigma just over 3 months so I hope to eventually get to 6k myself. Glocks have been on the market for considerable more time than the Sigma also so I would say that they would have the majority of the market share. No one said that the Glock wasn't a superior weapon and hasn't proven itself through the test of time. What I said was just because you love the Glock is no reason to put every other gun down. If that wasn't the case then you would've said for a 100.00 more you can get a Sig or some other gun. All Glock people do the exact same thing, suggest the one gun that they feel is superior to all other weapons on the planet, a GLOCK. Furthermore, the fact that you abuse your gun by firing it 6k times without cleaning it doesn't impress me. It tells me that you want to teach bad habits to new gun owners in an attempt to prove how reliable one gun is over another. He should clean his gun after each tirip to the range. Do you take a bath every 6k days? I'm sure you could go that long but it isn't advisable. :popcorn
 

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How long have you had your Glock?

This one I'm talking about since 1988.

I have had the Sigma just over 3 months so I hope to eventually get to 6k myself.

That's 6K between cleanings, not total rds count

Glocks have been on the market for considerable more time than the Sigma also so I would say that they would have the majority of the market share.

Sigma's have been on the market plenty long enough for some major LE agency or military to pick them up as their issued weapon----- that hasn't happened for some reason, we both know why.

What I said was just because you love the Glock is no reason to put every other gun down.

I don't put every other gun down, I support several other manufacturers models and carry a sig220, 226, 228, or a CZ 75D or the HK P7/PSP etc on a fairly regular basis. I don't "love" any gun. They are just pieces of equipment that I demand be ultra reliable where my life is concerned.

Today I'm carrying my Sig220 and will likely stay with this gun for the rest of the week. I don't see how that makes me a glock person. It's seems it's easy for others to think that because someone carries a glock more often than not and supports the premise that those guns are remarkably reliable [ reliability is a major concern when you've chased BG's and there was a real chance of having to use your firearm vs. the chance some civilian with a CCW might have to defend himself ] that they are automatically a "glock person", but we know that would be an absolute and as such, incorrect.

If that wasn't the case then you would've said for a 100.00 more you can get a Sig or some other gun.

That's an assumption on your part with no basis in fact, see above.

All Glock people do the exact same thing , suggest the one gun that they feel is superior to all other weapons on the planet, a GLOCK.

I don't believe in absolutes.

Furthermore, the fact that you abuse your gun by firing it 6k times without cleaning it doesn't impress me. It tells me that you want to teach bad habits to new gun owners in an attempt to prove how reliable one gun is over another.

Putting 6K through that trainer glock before cleaning it isn't abusing it in the least. It can take that and much more use if I wanted to make it so. The gun was completely broken down by the Glock Doctor out here in Az for the first time last summer at a round count of around 82K to determine if it needed anything replaced [ I'm an end user and don't work on guns :D ]. It needed nothing but a good soaking from all the carbonization on some of the smaller internal parts. If not cleaning it regularly was abusing it, it would have needed some parts replaced along the way to it's present 97K+ round count.

The trainer glock 17 is the proving glock. All my carry weapons are clean and ready for duty on the streets, thats only prudent. I didn't suggest this gun was a carry gun I use to defend myself with.

He should clean his gun after each tirip to the range.

I agree, a weapon used to potentially defend yourself should be cleaned, lubed and as ready for service as it can be on the streets. On the other hand, a training gun that is reliable up to at least 6K and isn't carried on the streets doesn't need that attention unless it's a gun that can't run that long before it pukes.

I hold no ill will toward the Sigmas as I believe they are a fairly reliable firearm. What I require for reliability on the streets isn't what another would require or be willing to accept. However, having had to rely on my choices to keep me alive while walking into lions dens day after day for some 30 years, where the risks were greater than just an ordinary citizen would expect in a lifetime, my choices had to be the right choices based on reliability and not price.

I knew men who died in Vietnam for lack of a weapon that functioned when it was needed based on the govt's idea of what was reliable, which turns out has never been the best choice for our troops. I don't take the risks others are willing to accept based on the premise they probably will nev er need to use their firearm on the streets to begin with, and I'll not accept the idea "it's relaible enough" until the gun has been proven to me. That's not going to inculde the Sigma. It's also not going to be any Sig made in Exeter, NH either, though I'll carry a W. German Sig all day with confidence and do from time to time.

I most certainly DID NOT spend over 30K in high level professional training with my own money over two decades to then pick a firearm to save 100.00. We each make our own choices as to the risks we're willing to take, to each their own in that regard. I do have opinions based on decades of working the streets professioanlly and seeing which guns puke more often than others in my classes. Informing people of those observations isn't being a glock guy or any other gun guy, it's simply relating experiences for others to make a more informed decision.

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That's why I love this forum, you can debate all types of issues in a civil manner.

Im going to put 80k rounds through this Sigma just so that I can say that it did it without any problems. Ideally however I am currently looking for an M&P .40 to use as a carry weapon.

I will say this though, when I purchased the Sigma at the gun show price was not even a consideration. I looked at Sigs, Glocks, and Colts. The Sigma just felt the best in my hand. The Glock was bulky and didn't seem to fit the contours of my hand. I felt that the gun should feel comfortable in me hand so I chose the one that meet that criteria. Now I will say this, I recently held a Glock in .357 caliber that felt great in my hand. I might even go back and purchase it.

Thanks for the imformative replies.
 

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Im going to put 80k rounds through this Sigma just so that I can say that it did it without any problems

It'll only cost you $16,000 for those 80K rounds at todays prices if it's a 9mm. :dancingbanana

Stay safe out there

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Afganistan army uses Sigma gunes

Just recently, the Sigma SW9VE was brought on line as an Allied Forces Model SW9VE, with the Afghanistan National Army, National Police and the Border Patrol placing initial and follow-up orders for more than 22,000 of the 9mm-chambered pistols.
 

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uponone.

I posted "The Sigmas are being issued to the Iraqi police------ they aren't carried by any LE agency in this country that I know of presently, however the glock owns 80% of the LE market here in the US.

That speaks volumes if you take the time to listen."


a few posts back. The gun is apparently deemed acceptable to issue to the Iraqi's but not American LE or military--------- This could well be a very good move on the part of those who decided to issue them to those people. God forbid we are no longer allied with them one day and they have Glocks in their hands the next time we get back over there and they are now against us with weapons we gave them earlier. It's happened for decades before that we supply an ally with weapons which are later used against us--------now I've got to wonder if someone in the decision making process has finally figured out we shouldn't be doing that, it costs American lives later. :rolleyes:

We obviously don't think much of the Iraqi border police and national army if we are handing them these Sigma's instead of our own military/police issued Beretta's, Sigs, HK's and/or Glocks

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Brownie you also posted
Sigma's have been on the market plenty long enough for some major LE agency or military to pick them up as their issued weapon----- that hasn't happened for some reason, we both know why.


Brownie, I agree with you on the Sigma, it does have many flaws. I used to own a 40 cal, now I don't. Atleast the 40 I owned had alot of flaws.
 

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