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Because many people truly believe that adding an optic to a rifle is no more than tightening the scope mount screws. They think that all you have to do is bolt it to the rifle and start shooting. They literally know NOTHING about the need for sighting in and zeroing. That's why you can see actual "groups" in the baffles. They keep aiming, firing and seeing a pristine paper target while wondering where the shots are going.

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Looks like a bunch of people used it as a target instead of taking the time to go set one up properly
 

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Looks like a bunch of people used it as a target instead of taking the time to go set one up properly
I wish that was the simple explanation. But it's not. I've seen FAR too many of these newbies showing up at the range having NO idea why they can't hit the target with their new scope. They literally do not know that scopes have to be sighted in for the rifle.
 

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They know nothing about eye relief, leveling the scope, torque specs or parallax either..I don't do public ranges
 

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They know nothing about eye relief, leveling the scope, torque specs or parallax either..I don't do public ranges
Yep. True about those functional tenets and processes of mounting scopes on rifles. Unfortunately, I do not have access to a private range.
 

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Back to topic at hand, how fast can you reload your carry pistol?
Looks like my MantisX has just such a drill in the app! I will have to give it a try and see how it goes.
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OK! First go at this with a timer. The MantisX feature is pretty neat. My times... not so neat!

Bear in mind that I'm drawing the "fresh" mag from my pocket rather than a mag carrier on my belt. I fumbled a few times. Best time was 3.5 seconds from beep to shot.
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Tried it again with the spare mag in a carrier on my belt (without a cover garment). Much faster - no surprise.
Fastest time was 2.88. Average was a full second faster than drawing from pocket.
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Need lots more practice with this!
 

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Tried it again with the spare mag in a carrier on my belt (without a cover garment). Much faster - no surprise.
Fastest time was 2.88. Average was a full second faster than drawing from pocket.
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Need lots more practice with this!
In the words of the famous Mr. Han, "your focus needs more focus". 😯

I suspect far more people think they can reload faster than that, than actually can. As I mentioned, I got my reloading practice in matches, to the tune of something around 10K reloading mag changes. Never did practice reloading my semi's on my own, but I'm convinced those 10K or so mag changes under the timer brought me to the level of speed on a mag change I enjoy today.

Get to 2 seconds or below if you can from underneath the cover garment. Or not, most people think mag change practice isn't important. It’s an easy skill to learn at a basic level, and a vitally important skill to have if you actually need it
 

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I suspect far more people think they can reload faster than that, than actually can.
I suspect you are right. And that's why I did not speculate as to my "reload prowess." The numbers don't lie, eh? I believe I'm the only one here who has posted numbers. :)

Realistically, I don't think I can practice enough to get below 2 seconds... or possibly even 3 seconds... if I'm drawing the mag from my pocket (in a "mag packer" pocket holster), which is how I carry the spare in the real world. I don't see myself wearing a mag carrier on my belt other than at a pistol course.

Furthermore, I don't see myself getting into "matches" or gun games, where I'd be executing mag changes as a matter of routine. I simply don't have that massive amount of discretionary spare time in my life. Not now. Not yet.

So, I can practice at home... since I can't drop mags at the local indoor range without risking them bouncing down-range where I cannot retrieve them. I am certain I can do better than these first attempts (ever) under "duress" / timing. But will I get below 2 seconds drawing from a pocket mag holster? I don't see it. I think under 3 would be remarkable enough.
 

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In the words of the famous Mr. Han, "your focus needs more focus". 😯

I suspect far more people think they can reload faster than that, than actually can. As I mentioned, I got my reloading practice in matches, to the tune of something around 10K reloading mag changes. Never did practice reloading my semi's on my own, but I'm convinced those 10K or so mag changes under the timer brought me to the level of speed on a mag change I enjoy today.

Get to 2 seconds or below if you can from underneath the cover garment. Or not, most people think mag change practice isn't important. It’s an easy skill to learn at a basic level, and a vitally important skill to have if you actually need it
As a matter of fact, I was timing (sort of) mag changes in my EDC 1911 from underneath cover garment earlier today as a result of this thread reminder. Don't have a timer or Mantis but using mags loaded with dummy rounds, several mag changes from simulated slide lock were right at 2 sec to trigger squeeze. My plan is to make this part of a weekly practice routine and will add a timer when able for recording my progress and building more confidence in that skill. :unsure:
 

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As a matter of fact, I was timing (sort of) mag changes in my EDC 1911 from underneath cover garment earlier today as a result of this thread reminder. Don't have a timer or Mantis but using mags loaded with dummy rounds, several mag changes from simulated slide lock were right at 2 sec to trigger squeeze. My plan is to make this part of a weekly practice routine and will add a timer when able for recording my progress and building more confidence in that skill. :unsure:
That's a respectable time for anyone who's not been or has been a gamer with thousands of reloads behind them.
 

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That's a respectable time for anyone who's not been or has been a gamer with thousands of reloads behind them.
I'll be more satisfied when I can demonstrate that skill consistently under stress when not in my living room (e.g., using TFP with live ammo on target)! 🤠
 

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As a matter of fact, I was timing (sort of) mag changes in my EDC 1911 from underneath cover garment earlier today as a result of this thread reminder. Don't have a timer or Mantis but using mags loaded with dummy rounds, several mag changes from simulated slide lock were right at 2 sec to trigger squeeze. My plan is to make this part of a weekly practice routine and will add a timer when able for recording my progress and building more confidence in that skill. :unsure:
I have a timer BH, but there’re free timer apps available for your smart phone.
Andy posted one a few years back, and I’ve had it ever since. (I think; I never use it anymore.)
 

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I have a timer BH, but there’re free timer apps available for your smart phone.
Andy posted one a few years back, and I’ve had it ever since. (I think; I never use it anymore.)
Yeah, I just didn't try to use a phone app during dry-fire practice. Wasn't even sure those apps would work with just the sound of hammer drop. :unsure:
 
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Yeah, I just didn't try to use a phone app during dry-fire practice. Wasn't even sure those apps would work with just the sound of hammer drop. :unsure:
Well; go “bang” real loud! 🤣
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Sorry to all.... I havent been around a lot...just saw this great thread from Brownie......my answer.... is slowed down .....but still try to maintain...... getting old is a deterrent to speed now a days. Dont move like I used to
 

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One more additive...... you can use all that modern technology to help you gauge where you are at.....but when it comes to the real life situation ......practice it on the range under duress.....it makes a difference....
 

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One more additive...... you can use all that modern technology to help you gauge where you are at.....but when it comes to the real life situation ......practice it on the range under duress.....it makes a difference....
Some say that dry fire isn't the same as live fire practice. Well, yeah.... But that doesn't render dry fire useless or a waste of time. Pretty much every pro shooter on the planet uses dry fire practice. A LOT of it.

Of course live fire reloads, holster draws, etc... are the best practice. However, the reality is that NONE of the local ranges (in my area) allow it or are set up for it.

So, the only option is to rent a private bay (and arrange for an RSO) at a range over an hour's drive away. Well, that's not going to happen on any kind of regular basis. The only practical (and affordable) way to do that is with a group. We'd be lucky to arrange that twice a year. Some of us have jobs and families. That's just reality. Few of us have our own backyard ranges. That would be awesome. But my neighbors would not be very happy.

So... I trudge on and practice sucking as a "pistolero" at home... and use some technology to help measure progress. 😐

The other advantage of the tech / gizmos: It makes it more FUN. Dry fire practice can be BORING. Getting some feedback helps a lot to make it more interesting. And that means you're more likely to do it frequently.

Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed when some here seem to revel in disparaging any effort to practice and improve that aren't in the same fashion of those who have access to private ranges or who trained and practiced differently "back in the good ol' days."

Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but it sure seems that way. Instead of, "That's kinda cool, tell me more about it," we get, "That's not the same as live fire practice." Well... no S**T!

I would think that ANY and all efforts towards the honing of skills would be ENCOURAGED rather than discouraged.
 
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