[mike1956]

That all said, even at my level of proficiency, I think I'm ahead of 98% of the rest of the nation's gun owners.

Check out the Dunning Kruger video I posted on that other thread.

 

[brownie]

Agreed, of course. My point was that Brownie seems to look down his nose at those who have not trained beyond the basic marksmanship / CCW courses. And of course, I agree with him about that not being adequate on a practical level. My intent was to ask him at which point (if there is one) would he be satisfied that said people are no longer among the "unwashed."

Mind you, throughout my professional and "gun" life, I have sought to continuously improve my skills. "Constant and never ending improvement." Of course, we all also have our priorities and can dedicate only "so much" to firearms training. I don't carry a gun "professionally." I'm not LE or a body guard or an operator. So, I would expect people in those professions to have and get more training.

That all said, even at my level of proficiency, I think I'm ahead of 98% of the rest of the nation's gun owners.

Likely right too.

 

[racer88]

Likely right too.

I'm "shootin" for 99.9%!

I will agree that what we commonly see at public ranges is fairly alarming... in terms of an utter lack of knowledge and skills.

 

[Anduril]

I'm "shootin" for 99.9%!

I will agree that what we commonly see at public ranges is fairly alarming... in terms of an utter lack of knowledge and skills.

Look no further than the back sides of the baffles at the FWC range.
Every time I go, it's more and more swiss cheese.

 

[racer88]

Look no further than the back sides of the baffles at the FWC range.
Every time I go, it's more and more swiss cheese.

It's getting the point of "Baby Swiss cheese!"

 

[brownie]

I'm "shootin" for 99.9%!

I will agree that what we commonly see at public ranges is fairly alarming... in terms of an utter lack of knowledge and skills.

A worthy goal, but on my best day I wasn't likely in the top 1%.

 

[mike1956]

A worthy goal, but on my best day I wasn't likely in the top 1%.

You are definitely within that realm when it comes to instructors.

 

[BeerHunter]

I was always taught that “The Lord helps those who help themselves”…. 👍

Amen to that!

 

[racer88]

A worthy goal, but on my best day I wasn't likely in the top 1%.

Top 1% of the population at large? Dude, you are probably in the top 0.1%, and that may be conservative.

 

[brownie]

Top 1% of the population at large? Dude, you are probably in the top 0.1%, and that may be conservative.

I appreciate the sentiment but I've never really considered myself as having attained that level.

 

[bladenbullet]

 

[brownie]

Looks as if they are just about 2 seconds for each from the timer. That's a respectable time, and I know you can go a little faster. You looked too comfortable and not pushing that hard which would suggest less than 2 seconds when it's crunch time

 

[bladenbullet]

Looks as if they are just about 2 seconds for each from the timer. That's a respectable time, and I know you can go a little faster. You looked too comfortable and not pushing that hard which would suggest less than 2 seconds when it's crunch time

it was a long day when i had a berm to myself...those were some mags with rounds left in them and i just burned them...for muscle memory...youve seen me make faster mag changes...including the time i burned over 160 rounds during a mad minute...i would normally have a mag on the way out before the one in use is empty...

 

[deadeyedick]

That all said, even at my level of proficiency, I think I'm ahead of 98% of the rest of the nation's gun owners.

I shoot with a number of Master-level shooters, but I never feel insecure simply because I'm only at the Expert level. I like to remind those guys that I'm never going to have to beat them in a gunfight; I only have to be better than the bad guy I'm up against.

 

[brownie]

I shoot with a number of Master-level shooters, but I never feel insecure simply because I'm only at the Expert level. I like to remind those guys that I'm never going to have beat them in a gunfight; I only have to be better than the bad guy I'm up against.

In the Tuesday night steel shoots I'd beat 1/2 dozen gran masters, over a dozen master class shooters every month. I just wasn't into competing all the time, so maybe a dozen shoots over 6 years.

I didn't/don/'t have a level assigned as I wasn't shooting the matches enough. I didn't mind when many of them outclassed me on a course of fire, it's their game not mine.

When I'd shoot against Leatham [ his home range is just 5 miles from my place ], my scores were just a 35-40% increase in time over his. If I'd seen even 50% I'd have considered that more than acceptable [ where he was at one time a world champion for years ].

Oh, and a stock G17 1st or 3rd gen was used in those matches.

 

[brownie]

it was a long day when i had a berm to myself...those were some mags with rounds left in them and i just burned them...for muscle memory...youve seen me make faster mag changes...including the time i burned over 160 rounds during a mad minute...i would normally have a mag on the way out before the one in use is empty...

I remember that, tore them backers up some

 

[shooter4]

Pistol reloads are one thing that I believe I have learned to perform pretty quickly, whether it's an emergency (slide lock) or tactical reload. Even with revolvers and speedloaders I'm not half bad, and I'm left-handed which puts me at disadvantage to begin with.

Im saving this one to my youtube to study more closely. This has always been annoying being left handed. I think i resorted to shoot revolvers right handed in my frustration

and i rememer that once fat guy next to you brownie, lost 30lbs since i retired…….I loved my mag slam load steyrs…..now the new ones dont do that…….but ive got more then enough old ones….

 

[nittany lion fan]

Look no further than the back sides of the baffles at the FWC range.
Every time I go, it's more and more swiss cheese.

I am always truly astonished at that and end up asking myself the same question: "HOW can THAT possibly happen?" I know the answers - intellectually, of course - but GEEZ!!!!!

 

[racer88]

I am always truly astonished at that and end up asking myself the same question: "HOW can THAT possibly happen?" I know the answers - intellectually, of course - but GEEZ!!!!!

Thread drift alert!

Because many people truly believe that adding an optic to a rifle is no more than tightening the scope mount screws. They think that all you have to do is bolt it to the rifle and start shooting. They literally know NOTHING about the need for sighting in and zeroing. That's why you can see actual "groups" in the baffles. They keep aiming, firing and seeing a pristine paper target while wondering where the shots are going.

 

[Anduril]

Can they see the bench?