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Here is the full article. I have never understood the mentality of a man who can't accept that a woman has ended the relationship with him. And worst has to go and kill her. I carry everywhere I can. One never knows when evil will strike.

Gunman Opens Fire in New Jersey Church
CLIFTON, N.J. (Nov. 23) – A gunman
entered a northern New Jersey church
during Sunday services and shot three
people in the vestibule, killing his
estranged wife and injuring the other two
before fleeing, authorities said.
Police were searching for 27-year-old
Joseph M. Pallipurath of Sacramento,
Calif., after the shooting at St. Thomas
Syrian Orthodox Knanaya Church in
Clifton. He was last seen driving a green
Jeep Wrangler, police said.
Detective Capt. Robert Rowan told The
Star-Ledger of Newark that the victim, 24-
year-old Reshma James, had recently
moved from California to escape an
abusive marriage and had filed a
restraining order against Pallipurath.
When he came to into the church,
Pallipurath said “I came to take my wife,”
a witness told The Star-Ledger.
Authorities believe he acted alone.
About 200 people were attending services
in the sanctuary of the church, whose
members are mostly first-generation
Indian immigrants and their children.
All three victims were shot in the head,
Rowan said. The other two victims, a 47-
year-old woman and 23-year-old man,
were in critical condition, he told the
A spokeswoman for St. Joseph’s Medical
in Paterson, where the victims were being
treated, declined to comment on their

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I train my children that wicked people are everywhere and in every profession including policemen, doctors, teachers and yes, in the church.

Every time there is an incident of molestation, murder, kidnap or the like my kids hear about it from me during our morning, "I didn't make this up" lesson on mankind.

They are trained that it is the heart of man(kind) that causes them to act the way they do, it is not in *what* they do but *who* they are.

We have not carried at church...yet. There are plenty of people who do according to a friend who does carry at church. We have a world known pastor and I'm quite sure that there are plenty of nut cases who would love to do him in. As soon as my little LCP gets back in my possession it will not leave my possession.

No place is safe and we must be alert at all time. We don't live in fear but we do make sure we are prepared.

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Church shootings
on rise in U.S.

'Leaders must be prepared
to defend congregations'
Posted: December 15, 2007
1:00 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Church shootings, in the headlines because of the attacks by Matthew Murray, 24, of Englewood, Colo., on two Christian groups last weekend, are on the rise across the United States, even though they're not yet at epidemic proportions.

Murray killed two people at a Youth With A Mission missionary training center in Arvada, Colo., early last Sunday morning, then apparently posted some rantings on the Internet, and drove to the New Life Church in Colorado Springs where he killed two teen girls. He also wounded half a dozen others before he was confronted by a church member volunteering as a security guard, and was shot.

A tabulation of church shootings, or those closely related to a church setting, was done by Gary Cass, chairman of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission, and include 10 such attacks over the last four years, including Murray's two attacks.

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"The tragic events in Colorado this past weekend underscore the fact that anti-Christian hostility is reaching a new, more violent level," Cass told WND. "Churches used to be sanctuaries that were regarded as sacred, now all church leaders must be prepared to effectively defend themselves and use deadly force if necessary to protect their congregations from violent acts."

He said a brief search found the following shootings, before last weekend's attacks:

* August 12, 2007: A lone gunman, Eiken Elam Saimon, opened fire in a Missouri Micronesian church, killing a pastor and two other churchgoers.

* May 20, 2007: A standoff between police and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a Moscow, Idaho, Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one police officer.

* Although not at a church building, the Oct. 2, 2006, attack in Lancaster County, Pa., by a gunman who killed five girls and then himself at an Amish school targeted a religious site.

* May 21, 2006: Louisiana. Four were killed by a man at Jesus Christ Church.

* Feb. 26, 2006: Michigan. Two people were killed at Zion Hope Missionary Baptist Church by a man who reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend. He later killed himself.

* April 9, 2005: A 27-year-old airman died after being shot at a church in College Park, Ga., where he had once worked as a security guard.

* March 12, 2005: A man walked into the services of the Living Church of God in Milwaukee and open fired immediately, killing seven people.

* Oct. 5, 2003: A woman opened fire in Turner Monumental AME church in Kirkwood, east of Atlanta, killing the pastor and two others.

* Sept. 16, 1999: Seven young people were killed when a man opened fire during a prayer service for teen-agers at the Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas.

"Self-defense is not just a right, but a Christian duty. Jesus told his followers, 'if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one,'" said Cass. "Christians are not to be a soft target for the hateful and deranged. Church leaders have a duty not to allow a crazed gunman to come and shoot up their congregation. Thank God for security officer Jeanne Assam and for New Life Church's security preparations."
Matthew Murray, the CO shooter looked to specifically target Christians. In
a series of postings by "nghtmrchld26," which said, "You Christians brought this on yourselves … All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you ... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."
I am a pastor. Be armed. Train. You just never know....

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My church has a security team. I'm the only non law enforcement member, we're all armed (I am a licensed armed security officer). I almost feel sorry for anyone busting in with bad intentions. We have 3 from ocso, 1 lake county deputy, a trooper, local pd & a US Marshal to even things out. :ak:

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In light of all the recent church related incidents I will carry in church. We have a large congregation and just sitting there thinking of the amount on average an offering would be, it boggles my mind why anyone wouldn't think to protect that alone. After all it belongs to God not the would-be robbers. Anyway, I know there are at least 5-6 of us that carry (two known PBSO active veterans) so there would be at least one hundred rounds available for exchange if it came down to it.

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Churches, like schools, are seen as free fire zones full of sheep (read targets). I personally do not like being a sheep. (except in God's flock).

Carry everywhere possible. It makes it harder for the other guy's lawyer to ask "do you always carry or were you expecting trouble?"

Going back to the OP's scenerio, not many of us would even have time to react to a guy that calmly walks in, pulls and fires 3 rounds then leaves. That sort of thing tends to be over before most of us even realize it has begun.

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There are three types of exposure, home, transit and any other place. Even church you have to go to and from, so when you get to church you are going to take your gun off in a place where the door is to everyone's back.

Yesterday my partner and I (business, not life, not that there is anything wrong with that) were about 200 yards from the Best Buy in Miami when a police involved shooting took place. We were there to see a movie, why would you need a gun when you are at the movies?:laughing

It would be nice is places of worship were sacred but they are not. Sometimes as posted, quite the opposite. The sheepdogs must stand ready over the flock.

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I carry at church, but not to protect the offering! No amount of money is worth a life. If someone wants to steal money from God, I say let them. Anyway; there's nothing I could do to them that would compare to what God will do to them. ;-)

On the other hand; if they're there to take my life, they'll be meeting God a lot sooner than they thought.
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