[Fantomas]

I just don't get it... as far as I can determine (and of course, IANAL), states are required to give "full faith and credit" under the Constitution to each other's acts... I've had it explained to me that this is why my FL driver license is accepted in, say, New Mexico...

As we all know, driving is not even a right, it's a privilege extended to us, and licensed by the individual states..

But ALL other states recognize each other's driver licenses.... or marriage licenses.... or divorce proceedings, etc... This is why I can get a marriage license in Florida....
and then move to Alaska... or Illinois.. or New York... and they ALL will recognize and accept these wildly different licenses and acts...

But the right to "keep and BEAR arms" IS a right, explicitly defined in the Constitution, and should "...not be infringed.." Infringe means to encroach upon or invalidate something.. so our right to keep and bear arms should not be subject to limits that mere STATES impose..

So a state that does not recognize another state's CCW license is really violating BOTH a citizen's AND the other state's constitutional rights....

So my question is... why doesn't a gun-friendly state's Governer (representing the particular state) join with a resident CCW citizen to JOINTLY sue in Federal court to force states like NY or Illinois to recognize other state's CCW?? Because with a state joining with an individual and claiming BOTH a state's rights AND an individual's right are being violated... well... I think that would probably make the Supreme Court sit up and take notice.... don't you think??

 

[FLRon]

I am not an attorney so I am not equipped to be able describe all the legal particulars as to why we do not have certain rights in those States. I can tell you that each State has the ability to determine their own laws and has legal jurisdiction within their State borders with certain Federal exceptions.

Just the other day a State whose name escapes me at the moment determined that Florida had more permissive standards with regard to prior drug use than the State itself allows, so they ruled that they would no longer accept a Florida Concealed Weapons License as legal within their State. The ruling was reversed, but it did give you a glimpse into the reciprocal agreements that the various Attorney Generals enter into and negotiate.

Also as noted on the FDOA website, the State of Florida will honor the concealed weapon/firearm permits issued by another state provided that the other state will agree to honor the licenses issued by Florida.

There are a couple of important reasons why other states will not honor Florida concealed weapon licenses. Some states, like Connecticut, do not have statutory authority to establish reciprocal agreements with other states. Other states, like Minnesota, will not enter into a reciprocity agreement with another state unless the other state has concealed weapon licensing standards substantially similar to their own.

Hope that is somewhat helpful.

 

[Al Lipscomb]

The recognition of drivers licenses was a result of negotiations between States over time. It was before my time so I don't know how the process worked but I would guess that it was not too different that what we are now seeing with permits.

A common mistake made in regard to the Bill of Rights, and therefore the second Ammendment, is that they were added to limit the Federal Government in the formation of the Union. When you look at many of the State constitutions you can see the things they were trying to keep at the State level. What is included there was not always directly transferred to the people but could be picked up by the State.

Given time, anyplace you would care to go, will add your permit to their lst.

 

[capngeo]

The only thing that comes to mind in the driver license argument is intrastate commerce..... which is regulated by the fed.. If driver privileges were not extended past state borders, it would affect commerce....

Mind you, I don't know this to be fact, just guessing

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Add to all of the above the fact that The Second has never been officially incorporated to the states by the Fed, and you have what we do now.

Personally, I'm happy to leave it at the state level. I don't want the Fed messing withe CCW at all.

 

[Steve48]

The best answer that I can give to this is that each of the states believes that the gun laws it imposes do not infringe on its citizens' second amendment rights. (Naturally, a number of us, most definitely including me, would disagree, but that's another issue.) Given that belief, each state then believes that its sovereignty with regard to its own laws allows it to not recognize the rulings of the other states with regard to what can and can't be done. It all comes down to the fact that most of the states do not regard concealed carry as a right. (Once again, our disagreement with that is another issue.)

 

[mvanlone]

What I have been told that some states have different training requirements. So if a state that has less training requirements than a different state. The state that has less training requirements may not be able to honor their CCW license in the state that has more training requirements. I live in Ohio. The ohio ccw license is recognized in the state of indiana, however, indiana's ccw license is not honored in Ohio. Ohio's reason, their license requirements are lower than Ohio's license requirements. If indiana's license requirements were equal or better than Ohio, their license would be honored.

 

[Speve]

Just the other day a State whose name escapes me at the moment determined that Florida had more permissive standards with regard to prior drug use than the State itself allows, so they ruled that they would no longer accept a Florida Concealed Weapons License as legal within their State. .

i think it was wyoming that withdrew honoring our ccw

 

[deadeyedick]

You think that's bad? There is virtually no reciprocity whatsoever between states with regards to P.I. licenses. I have to have a separate license for each state I work in...at one point in my career, I had something like a dozen different licenses. :doh

 

[FLRon]

Thanks Speve!

DE, that must be a funny visual if you get pulled over and have one of those accordion style wallets that unfolds to the floor filled with your licenses.