Printing?
From another forum :
Check your state's concealed carry laws. "Printing", which is the appearance of being armed, is a criminal violation. You can't carry something that is obviously a weapon, even though it's covered by your shirt.
Just like it's not a crime to carry a non-concealed weapon, but they'll still arrest you and charge you with menacing, inducing panic or one of a number of other legal technicalities
This is the first I have heard of this???? Dave
Check your state's concealed carry laws. "Printing", which is the appearance of being armed, is a criminal violation. You can't carry something that is obviously a weapon, even though it's covered by your shirt.
Just like it's not a crime to carry a non-concealed weapon, but they'll still arrest you and charge you with menacing, inducing panic or one of a number of other legal technicalities
This is the first I have heard of this???? Dave
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Bingo to check and know YOUR state's laws!From another forum :
Check your state's concealed carry laws. "Printing", which is the appearance of being armed, is a criminal violation. You can't carry something that is obviously a weapon, even though it's covered by your shirt.
Just like it's not a crime to carry a non-concealed weapon, but they'll still arrest you and charge you with menacing, inducing panic or one of a number of other legal technicalities
This is the first I have heard of this???? Dave
Printing is not a crime in FL.
It IS a crime (according to FL statutes) to carry a non-concealed weapon in certain circumstances.
Pick up Jon Gutmacher's Florida Firearms Laws. Best $30 or so dollars you will spend. Then read it. It could save your butt.
BTW, what forum? If they are claiming that this is true for FL, be very careful.From another forum :
Check your state's concealed carry laws. "Printing", which is the appearance of being armed, is a criminal violation. You can't carry something that is obviously a weapon, even though it's covered by your shirt.
Just like it's not a crime to carry a non-concealed weapon, but they'll still arrest you and charge you with menacing, inducing panic or one of a number of other legal technicalities
This is the first I have heard of this???? Dave
That is wrong.
In fact, be very careful here. Few of us are lawyers. None of us are giving legal advice that is worth a plugged nickel. Gutmacher's book is the best, cheapest available resource.
I was printing bad today and no one knew except me.. :rolf
My 3rd Gen glock 17 "printed" for two days while I visited Fla and carried concealed on my Arizona permit. I didn't give it a second thought, same as when I'm out here in my home state.
People worry too much about "printing", usually people new to carrying a concealed firearm. Carry concealed for 37 years and you become less concerned with this as no one really notices going about your daily activities anyway. I'd suggest less worrying about printing and more worrying about the lack of training you have to use it defensively and whether you are really prepared to defend yourself with that "heater" you're now carrying around.
More concern for whether you can access it while under physical attack, worrying about your situational awareness to keep from walking into potentially dangerous situations, as well as worrying about whether you'll have the wherewithal to actually not hesitate to use it before it's too late.
Brownie
People worry too much about "printing", usually people new to carrying a concealed firearm. Carry concealed for 37 years and you become less concerned with this as no one really notices going about your daily activities anyway. I'd suggest less worrying about printing and more worrying about the lack of training you have to use it defensively and whether you are really prepared to defend yourself with that "heater" you're now carrying around.
More concern for whether you can access it while under physical attack, worrying about your situational awareness to keep from walking into potentially dangerous situations, as well as worrying about whether you'll have the wherewithal to actually not hesitate to use it before it's too late.
Brownie
Me too. I've always open carried in the house and "securely encased" in the car before I received my license, but now I'm finding it a challenge to conceal a SIG P228.I was printing bad today and no one knew except me.. :rolf
people are to hard on themselves. I agree with brownie that it is normally someone new to carriyng that feels that way. I did myself when I was first licensed. I felt like I had a huge bulge (on my side people..gosh). After carrying for a while you think less about it.I was printing bad today and no one knew except me.. :rolf
Okay....I'll play...Most of ya'll have read my story of incidentally open carrying at the crowded diner with LEOs present...
Was at the grocery store with my wife a few months ago...I was carrying my G23 as usual with a t-shirt and an over shirt. She bent over to get something off the bottom shelf and the ass blew out of her pants (yeah, it was funny as hell, but that's another story).
I peeled my t-shirt out of my cargo pants to cover my weapon, and gave her my cover shirt to cover something other than her weapon.
At checkout, there was an off duty LEO staring at me. The t-shirt wasn't exactly baggy. I smiled at him and said "Sorry, necessity", and dropped my arm to better cover my weapon. He tossed me a casual salute and we went on our way.
Conceal as well as you can, but don't get paranoid about it (unless you live in PBC or Miami-Dade).
Was at the grocery store with my wife a few months ago...I was carrying my G23 as usual with a t-shirt and an over shirt. She bent over to get something off the bottom shelf and the ass blew out of her pants (yeah, it was funny as hell, but that's another story).
I peeled my t-shirt out of my cargo pants to cover my weapon, and gave her my cover shirt to cover something other than her weapon.
At checkout, there was an off duty LEO staring at me. The t-shirt wasn't exactly baggy. I smiled at him and said "Sorry, necessity", and dropped my arm to better cover my weapon. He tossed me a casual salute and we went on our way.Conceal as well as you can, but don't get paranoid about it (unless you live in PBC or Miami-Dade).
Northern PBC is not too bad because most here are like minded. The empty ammo shelf in WW is a good indication of that.Conceal as well as you can, but don't get paranoid about it (unless you live in PBC or Miami-Dade).
PBSO are pretty cool.Northern PBC is not too bad because most here are like minded. The empty ammo shelf in WW is a good indication of that.
I should have qualified that remark. Northern PBC is, indeed, a different area. :drinksNorthern PBC is not too bad because most here are like minded. The empty ammo shelf in WW is a good indication of that.
Printing can cause problems under various circumstances, such as being in a prohibited area.
I know of 2 cases where a police officer arrested someone who was in a bar. He would not have known they were armed except they were printing.
In NM one cannot carry into a restaurant or anyplace where alcohol is served to be consumed on the premises. In one case a young man was at a bar and the officer noticed that he was printing. He eased up to the man and informed him that he was not to be there. The man argued, and immediately was arrested.
The other case was similar except an older man was in a restaurant and drinking a beer. He also was printing. He told the officer that he had a permit and could go where he pleased.
Two men who were arrested, charged with a 4th degree felony, and lost their permits for life.
Since I know the officer well, I suspect that both could have gotten off with a warning if they had been polite, but both insisted that his license permitted him to be there.
Neither would have gotten in trouble if they had not printed. I do make sure as possible that I am not printing, and I don't make movements that might cause printing.
NM is an OC state so printing is not illegal, but it sure can get one in trouble at times.
Regards,
Jerry
I know of 2 cases where a police officer arrested someone who was in a bar. He would not have known they were armed except they were printing.
In NM one cannot carry into a restaurant or anyplace where alcohol is served to be consumed on the premises. In one case a young man was at a bar and the officer noticed that he was printing. He eased up to the man and informed him that he was not to be there. The man argued, and immediately was arrested.
The other case was similar except an older man was in a restaurant and drinking a beer. He also was printing. He told the officer that he had a permit and could go where he pleased.
Two men who were arrested, charged with a 4th degree felony, and lost their permits for life.
Since I know the officer well, I suspect that both could have gotten off with a warning if they had been polite, but both insisted that his license permitted him to be there.
Neither would have gotten in trouble if they had not printed. I do make sure as possible that I am not printing, and I don't make movements that might cause printing.
NM is an OC state so printing is not illegal, but it sure can get one in trouble at times.
Regards,
Jerry
Perhaps we should consider printing while carrying legally under the terms and conditions set forth by your license.
Once you violate the terms of your license, all bets are off.
Once you violate the terms of your license, all bets are off.
Sounds like they got busted less for printing and being where they shouldn't, and more for POPO.
-JT
-JT
Printing can cause problems under various circumstances, such as being in a prohibited area.
I know of 2 cases where a police officer arrested someone who was in a bar. He would not have known they were armed except they were printing.
In NM one cannot carry into a restaurant or anyplace where alcohol is served to be consumed on the premises. In one case a young man was at a bar and the officer noticed that he was printing. He eased up to the man and informed him that he was not to be there. The man argued, and immediately was arrested.
The other case was similar except an older man was in a restaurant and drinking a beer. He also was printing. He told the officer that he had a permit and could go where he pleased.
Two men who were arrested, charged with a 4th degree felony, and lost their permits for life.
Since I know the officer well, I suspect that both could have gotten off with a warning if they had been polite, but both insisted that his license permitted him to be there.
Neither would have gotten in trouble if they had not printed. I do make sure as possible that I am not printing, and I don't make movements that might cause printing.
NM is an OC state so printing is not illegal, but it sure can get one in trouble at times.
Regards,
Jerry
Yes, that is why, but the point is if one dresses around the gun, and is careful to make moves that do not cause printing, he is better off. I would not want a BG to know I was carrying, as I would lose the element of surprise.Sounds like they got busted less for printing and being where they shouldn't, and more for POPO.
-JT
Printing can also reveal the fact that you carry to those you do not want to know. In fact it is my view that the fewer folks who know I carry the better. Even though it is legal here to carry in church, and my pastor approves, I prefer that the congregation in general does not know, and especially children.
I might also add that I carry to and from the gym. I lock the gun in my locker, and prefer that others do not know I carry or that the gun is locked in my locker. The owner of the gym knows I carry, but only he and maybe one other knows.
Each can determine how important printing is to him, but I make a concerted effort to avoid printing.
Regards,
Jerry
Maybe it's my personality or something, but I'm pretty sure I'd NOT be able to get away with printing in a diner, grocery store, or anywhere else with LEO's present-was once face-down in the median for "brandishing" my son's toy machine gun that had slid under my feet in our van (green gun with big orange tip). Back to topic, I'm new to carrying and try not to print, but am getting less paranoid the more no one notices that I am carrying.
That's funny (bet it wasn't then, but it is now....)...was once face-down in the median for "brandishing" my son's toy machine gun that had slid under my feet in our van (green gun with big orange tip)...
As to being around LEO's, just don't flash. If you use a tuckable and tuck, they will spot the extra loops/clips and know. If you stay untucked, it is much harder to tell.
The more you wear, the more comfortable it becomes, but wearing a weapon should be comforting, not necessarily comfortable.
hey airhead,
wrt LEO's noticing the extra clips/loops, etc...how do they feel about that? i've been practicing in the house (for that amazing day in the not distant future when my license actually arrives) and i can get a shirt tucked in over the piece itself and not print/flash, but the clip for the holster is more than a little obvious. do i need to keep working on hiding that too, or is the clip ok, provided the weapon is concealed?
wrt LEO's noticing the extra clips/loops, etc...how do they feel about that? i've been practicing in the house (for that amazing day in the not distant future when my license actually arrives) and i can get a shirt tucked in over the piece itself and not print/flash, but the clip for the holster is more than a little obvious. do i need to keep working on hiding that too, or is the clip ok, provided the weapon is concealed?
I've been carrying the XD-45 around the house in a "belly band" I got off the NRA's site. I like the NRA's because it comes with an optional snapping retention strap. I guess they aren't everyone's cup of tea but worn low (beside my junk) I don't even print in my pajamas.
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