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I've got an FNH FS2000 I'll sell ya for a good price! ;)
I'll remain a Tavor user, but appreciate the offer. 4" shorter than an ar with 16" barrel and 4-6 position butt stock :grin
 

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A pistol will always be easier to "wield" in tight spaces/confines of a home than a 30"+ ar, no matter the skills level of the user. Now easier to hit with than a pistol may be a different story for many people.

If she'd used an m14/m1a or m1 carbine, would the consensus be the same as has been expressed here? Everyone needs an m14/m1a or m1 carbine? I find it all so amusing those who champion the ar being used as a reason for owning one based on this example.

I'd proffer that a long gun is much harder to wield properly inside the confines of a home than a pistol. That's based on two week long entry courses using both subguns and pistols.
M1 Carbine wouldn't be bad. Shot the one that Shooter4 brought. It has about the same recoil as an AR. I actually have the Tavor X95 set as my primary in-home rifle. Shorter than the AR I own with the same basic ballistics.
 

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A pistol will always be easier to "wield" in tight spaces/confines of a home than a 30"+ ar, no matter the skills level of the user. Now easier to hit with than a pistol may be a different story for many people.
Right, I said "wield effectively", not just "wield". I think lesser-trained people can probably hit with an AR15 easier than with a pistol.

Yes, a 16" barreled rifle may be less than ideal for CQB, but in this instance the attacker wasn't right on top of her, so that didn't work against her.

If she'd used an m14/m1a or m1 carbine, would the consensus be the same as has been expressed here?
The M14 is a couple pounds heavier than the AR15, and that might be an issue for some people. Also it's a .308 and will have a helluvalot more recoil than a .223 AR15 would. The M1 Carbine on the other hand is lighter than the AR15 and has about the same recoil, so it might serve that role admirably.

Everyone needs an m14/m1a or m1 carbine? I find it all so amusing those who champion the ar being used as a reason for owning one based on this example.
I didn't see anybody say "everyone needs an AR15". But I do think that as a matter of general preparedness everyone should own at least one AR15 - preferably one for each family member who is old enough to wield a rifle.

I'd proffer that a long gun is much harder to wield properly inside the confines of a home than a pistol. That's based on two week long entry courses using both subguns and pistols.
Yep, it is. Without proper training you're bound to run into problems if CQB happens. Negotiating corners is harder. Lots of stuff. But homeowners don't need to be able to do everything a SWAT team does. With any luck they can hole up in a bedroom somewhere, dial 911, and shoot whatever kicks the door open. An AR15 works fine for that.

As we all know, pistols suck. Everyone loves to argue that pistols don't have stopping power, only rifles and shotguns do. The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to a rifle or shotgun. Speaking of SWAT teams, you don't see most SWAT teams stacking on a door with nothing but pistols. Granted, their "long guns" are usually short - short barreled rifles or short barreled shotguns. Unfortunately owning such firearms requires a little extra paperwork for non-government users but with the proliferation of "pistol" versions of rifles, and the goofy "forearm brace" that serves as a crappy stock, that has eliminated a lot of that problem.

I consider myself to be above average in handgun skill, but at my house the firearm that is within arm's reach most of the time is a 14.5" barreled, select fire M16. I reckon that any problem that can't be solved by a 30 round magazine in an M16 probably just can't be solved by one person.
 

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I didn't see anybody say "everyone needs an AR15". But I do think that as a matter of general preparedness everyone should own at least one AR15 - preferably one for each family member who is old enough to wield a rifle.

Why do you believe that?

Granted, their "long guns" are usually short - short barreled rifles or short barreled shotguns.

which goes back to my stating an 16" barreled 30+" oal ar is a hinderance unless one will stay in a room and not go hunting for that noise/BG. Which is what most homeowners will have, not your shorter version ar variant.
 

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I miss the M14! Choice of shoot, stab with bayonet or vertical butt stroke. Variety is the spice of life! :grin
 

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I didn't see anybody say "everyone needs an AR15". But I do think that as a matter of general preparedness everyone should own at least one AR15 - preferably one for each family member who is old enough to wield a rifle.
Why do you believe that?
I think that, going into an uncertain future of 2A rights, the AR15 is the rifle to own. I think it is easily the most commonly owned rifle in the country, and as such there are literally tons of repair parts in private hands. Parts are generally interchangeable and the guns are very easy to work on. Receivers are reasonably easy to make from 80%'ers and there are literally tons of 80%'ers in private hands.

Also the AR15 is reasonably easy to convert to full auto if you know what you are doing and M16 fire control components are reasonably plentiful and can be made from AR15 components without too much trouble.

The above is applicable to the whole TEOTWAWKI thing for those that factor that into their armament plans. The whole TEOTWAWKI thing seems sort of fanciful until you see how many near misses we've had with "big space rocks" lately and realize that one that's big enough can put us there more or less immediately.

Those issues aside, if all of the arms-bearing members of the family have the same rifle (whatever it is, AR15 or otherwise) then everyone can grab any rifle, all use the same mags, have the same manual of arms, etc.

Granted, their "long guns" are usually short - short barreled rifles or short barreled shotguns.
Which goes back to my stating an 16" barreled 30+" oal ar is a hinderance unless one will stay in a room and not go hunting for that noise/BG. Which is what most homeowners will have, not your shorter version ar variant.
Yeah, a standard, non-NFA length AR15 is not ideal for home defense. But I never argued it was. :)
 

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Maybe the BEST reason to own an AR-15 is because it makes progressive leftists cry!

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Maybe the BEST reason to own an AR-15 is because it makes progressive leftists cry!

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That's enough to make any 2A friendly guy want one!
 

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AR-15 Saves Tampa Couple in Armed Home Invasion

Seems to suggest the ar was responsible for saving the couple. If that is in fact true, the ar saved a Tampa couple, don't be surprised when the anti's claim the ar killed somebody.

The ar is NOT what saved the couple, nor is it responsible for causing deaths. Can't say that inanimate object saved anyone without having to then listen to an anti spout the ar was responsible for murdering someone. That was the point I was making initially. We're quick to jump on the gun saved someone but loath the antis who use the same mentality claiming the ar was responsible for deaths and needs to be removed from society.

It wasn't the ar that saved the couple, it was the pregnant wife using an inanimate object that saved their lives.
 

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That's enough to make any 2A friendly guy want one!
Yep. I'm being serious, too! It really IS a good reason to have one.

My only AR15 is my "precision" rig, designed to be shot prone. But, at least I can say I have an AR15. But, my SCAR-16 and FS2000 are pretty nifty 5.56 / .223 rifles, too. And, they look plenty "scary" to the snowflakes, which is a bonus.
 

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I keep an AR with an Aimpoint pro for yotes, nefarious trespassers, and so my new neighbor can learn some long gun shooting. And my boy likes it with the .22 conversion kit. Other than that, it's a poodle shooter, just like in the Corps. Real serious work calls for the bolt rifle in .308/7.62
 

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It wasn't the ar that saved the couple, it was the pregnant wife using an inanimate object that saved their lives.
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Personally, I'd prefer my G19 with a couple spare mags of Federal Premium HST 147gr for most home defense situations. But that may not be ideal for everyone. Seems the AR worked for her. Although WE all know it wasn't the AR alone that saved or killed anyone, rather, (that tool) was likely among the single biggest factors in whether they lived or died. IMHO.
 

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I do not think it matters what gun a person has in the house for self defense. What matters is that the gun is loaded and handy to retrieve if needed in a hurry. The most important thing with having the gun is to learn how to shoot it and not to hesitate using it if you think your life is in danger.
A gun in the home is like insurance, It is one of those things you have but hope you never have to use it
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Saw this today and figured I'd pop it in here.

 
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