Deadly force can be applied with a pencil, or just the power of the hand [ maybe some will remember that power of the hand story I related a few times during evenings out after training ]. I don't think we here are locked into believing deadly force only being delivered at the muzzle of a gun.Are we trapped onto believing that deadly force is only delivered by a firearm?...another case of "if all you have is a hammer"...
Sorry, but I would have lit them UP!A protestor was videoed pouring gasoline on an occupied NYPD van. I think this action justifies use of deadly force under FL law. The risk of starting a fire with a firearm discharge is a possibility. What do you guys that study the FL law MUCH more closely than me think?
Go to 27 sec to see gasoline pouring.
Imminent would be you see him attempt to use an ignition source once the gas had been poured. Of course, one would be outside the vehicle by that time if one had any common sense at all.Hearing a whole lot of tap dancing here. I think that I can claim reasonable fear of imminent harm or death - definite ability, jeopardy, and opportunity here. If I am in my car and someone starts pouring gasoline on it. Given I am not committing a criminal act and am in a place (my car - occupied vehicle) where I am authorized to be, I have no duty to retreat. I'm not waiting for the "ignition" source.
Good analysis. If you jump out of the vehicle then you just jumped out of the danger zone. I know some websites use the ability, jeopardy etc. but in the real world I think the analysis is different.Imminent would be you see him attempt to use an ignition source once the gas had been poured. Of course, one would be outside the vehicle by that time if one had any common sense at all.
Once outside the vehicle, if he were to use an ignition source and set the vehicle on fire, are you in imminent danger of grave bodily harm or death?
Inquiring minds would like to know. Continuing the tap dance.
curiosity is getting the best of me...would it still not be a forcible felony?...if someone is in the apparent act of committing arson?...or even property destruction?...Good analysis. If you jump out of the vehicle then you just jumped out of the danger zone. I know some websites use the ability, jeopardy etc. but in the real world I think the analysis is different.
You and I were cut from the same cloth, both having worked the streets for a considerable time. "Am I in legitimate fear for my life or great bodily harm" to which I'd add, RFN. If it's imminent, RFN or possibly die/suffer grave bodily harm, that's where my firearm is called on.I always defer to “Am I in legitimate fear for my life or great bodily harm?” If yes, and possible without endangering anyone else, I’ll shoot. It served me well and despite knives, clubs, etc. I never had to shoot. A whole lot of people would be living happier lives today if they had had that mindset.
What about driving away?my first thought is to alight from the vehicle. Once I've alighted [ what, all of 1-2 seconds ] I'm no longer in imminent danger of being cooked alive should an ignition source be introduced. We'll just have to wing it from there based on their actions upon my alighting.