Position SUL

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brownie

Discussion Starter · 28 d ago

Position SUL was originally developed in Brazil by Alan Brosnan and Max Joseph of TFTT and TEES specifically for close-quarters high-threat environments for maximum retention of the gun without being in a threatening posture while around people and potentially for extended periods of time.

SUL=Portuguese for “South”

Anyone been trained in using this position? Have used this position either in training or on the streets? Ever heard of SUL?

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joecarry

· #2 · 28 d ago (Edited)

No sir but I believe John Wick utilizes that technique in most of his movies. Wouldn’t mind learning.

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bladenbullet

· #3 · 28 d ago

Never heard it referred to as SUL but it's something I practice for retention. It also lends itself to the center axis relock stance (CAR) in a bladed position.

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BeerHunter

· #4 · 28 d ago

Have heard of it, but haven't used it in training or on the streets because I'm not trained for using it, unless watching a YT video counts. . .No, I didn't think so either! 😁

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joecarry

· #5 · 28 d ago

bladenbullet said:
Never heard it referred to as SUL but it's something I practice for retention. It also lends itself to the center axis relock stance (CAR) in a bladed position.

CAR is what I heard it referred to before if it’s the same thing.

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #6 · 28 d ago

bladenbullet said:
Never heard it referred to as SUL but it's something I practice for retention. It also lends itself to the center axis relock stance (CAR) in a bladed position.

Very similar to CAR retention.

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #7 · 28 d ago

joecarry said:
CAR is what I heard it referred to before if it’s the same thing.

It's a little different in hand positioning but both are very similar with a common goal. I prefer the CAR retention simply because I don't like the non shooting hand arrangement. As well, taught CAR by a master CAR instructor for LE in the 90's, when shown SUL, staying with what I was already comfortable with seemed prudent

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nittany lion fan

· #8 · 28 d ago

I read up on it a couple years ago, but have not been trained in it.

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Rick McC.

· #9 · 28 d ago

brownie said:
Very similar to CAR retention.

I believe that CAR retention is what you taught us?

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #10 · 28 d ago

Rick McC. said:
I believe that CAR retention is what you taught us?

It is sir.

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mike1956

· #11 · 27 d ago

I've been exposed to it in a few classes, but never tried to adopt it as my own. I can accomplish the exact same ends without breaking my two-handed firing grip using different methods.

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bttbbob

· #12 · 27 d ago

brownie said:
Position SUL was originally developed in Brazil by Alan Brosnan and Max Joseph of TFTT and TEES specifically for close-quarters high-threat environments for maximum retention of the gun without being in a threatening posture while around people and potentially for extended periods of time.

SUL=Portuguese for “South”

Anyone been trained in using this position? Have used this position either in training or on the streets? Ever heard of SUL?
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Yup and teach it. Much better than CAR.

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shooter4

· #13 · 24 d ago

Yes years ago as a standard technique along with grip stance presentation, and checking surroundings avoiding muzzling peeps. Much better then low ready, or muzzle up by the head, hated that one!!

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bttbbob

· #14 · 24 d ago

joecarry said:
CAR is what I heard it referred to before if it’s the same thing.

CAR and SUL are two different techniques by two different instructors. SUL was invented by 2 guys in Brazil because they were getting muzzled leading SWAT training in the Ghettos there. Max Joseph and Alan Brosnan.
CAR was invented by a guy in Ohio named Paul Castle and is short for Center Axis Relock.

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bttbbob

· #15 · 24 d ago

Pictures of the difference.

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joecarry

· #16 · 24 d ago

bttbbob said:
CAR and SUL are two different techniques by two different instructors. SUL was invented by 2 guys in Brazil because they were getting muzzled leading SWAT training in the Ghettos there. Max Joseph and Alan Brosnan.
CAR was invented by a guy in Ohio named Paul Castle and is short for Center Axis Relock.

Thank you for the clarification Bob! 👍

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Hodawg

· #17 · 23 d ago

I think it's time for a Brownie youtube video showing the differences and the pro's/cons of each.

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joecarry

· #18 · 23 d ago

I think it’s time for a Brownie in person training session in Florida again. 🧐

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shooter4

· #19 · 23 d ago

I remember now. It was the now defunct training company OPS. Options for Personal Security. Run by Andy something. Lots of good stuff packed in several levels of training.

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #20 · 23 d ago

shooter4 said:
I remember now. It was the now defunct training company OPS. Options for Personal Security. Run by Andy something. Lots of good stuff packed in several levels of training.

Andy Stanford, I met him at the 1" to 100 yrds" week long event in Laughlin, Nv. around 2008. Had seen him post all the time on GT, no proponent of threat focused pistol skills.

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