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Greetings again fellow Florida Concealed Weapons holders,

I havent been around the boards much as of late due to work ups for deployments and going on detachments, I do want to point one thing out and I hope I dont get anyone mad at me, especially since this is the Florida Concealed Carry Forum, but I just want to remind everyone ... guns are great! I love owning them, but just make sure that you have other options to fall back on.

There are several ways you can go, but just make sure if you had to defend yourself, you wouldnt feel completely helpless because you dont have a firearm. It probably sounds crazy but just something I wanted to say.

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Kludo, hope everyone is doing well.
 

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I didn't mean it that way. There really isn't anything in what you said to get mad about. Guns are great, but when the chips are down you use whatever you must. Brownie has written quite a bit about the use of blades in a number of threads.
 

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Well Ma'am,

What I mean is .. I hope that you understand that the number 1 factor in any situation is ones will to live. If you have decided that you will live no matter what adversity, you will find a way to survive.

There are certainly tools that will help you carry the day, but number one its the will to live.

Some tools that I personally recommend is OC and a blade.

I cant say OC is 100 percent because there are people like me whom it has no effect on, but there is a large part of the population it does have a very adverse effect on, and knive's are also an excellent tool, if chosen properly and trained to use.

Finally, I recommend you be very comfortable in open hand techniques, such as pain compliance or whatever type of martial art you may wish to become familiar with.... needless to say, in the United States today, a firearm is not always an option as much as I would like it to be.

Im not an alarmist, I do not want to scare anyone, I just want to pass along some information,


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Kludo,

I haven't been around here very long, but I have never seen anyone really get angry. And thanks for reminding us that firearms are not the only weapons around.

MamaBear,

A weapon is a tool used to inflict bodily harm upon another living thing. Anything can be a weapon [a kitchen knife, a brick, a broom, a cup of coffee, a rolled up magazine, etc.], if properly utilized. Just because you do not have access to a firearm, does not mean that you must surrender or that you will lose a confrontation. Never give up. It is the only way to survive.
 

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There are several ways you can go, but just make sure if you had to defend yourself, you wouldnt feel completely helpless because you dont have a firearm. It probably sounds crazy but just something I wanted to say.

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Kludo, hope everyone is doing well.
Interesting that you bring that topic up, because I still have my "Slapper Blackjack" that I used to carry.



It can be used to stun an attacker, but trust me if it were struck hard enough it is capable of inflicting death.

I may have to start carrying that at times as a backup to the deadly force of my handgun.
 

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Greetings again fellow Florida Concealed Weapons holders,

I havent been around the boards much as of late due to work ups for deployments and going on detachments, I do want to point one thing out and I hope I dont get anyone mad at me, especially since this is the Florida Concealed Carry Forum, but I just want to remind everyone ... guns are great! I love owning them, but just make sure that you have other options to fall back on.

There are several ways you can go, but just make sure if you had to defend yourself, you wouldnt feel completely helpless because you dont have a firearm. It probably sounds crazy but just something I wanted to say.

V/R

Kludo, hope everyone is doing well.
Kludo seems to me everyone including myself agrees with you, nice post and you are 100% correct always leave your options open be ready to use anything to protect yourself.
 

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What I mean is .. I hope that you understand that the number 1 factor in any situation is ones will to live. If you have decided that you will live no matter what adversity, you will find a way to survive.

There are certainly tools that will help you carry the day, but number one its the will to live.


Everyone has an inate will to live. Regarding the underlined, I'm not sure that is true at all. I've seen morgue and autopsy photos showing dead people who fought the attacker, obviously didn't give up easily and still ended up on a slab table. These people obviously fought aggressively and had the will to live, and didn't find a way to survive.

Mac45,

Anything can be a weapon [a kitchen knife, a brick, a broom, a cup of coffee, a rolled up magazine, etc.], if properly utilized.

"Unconventional weapons", inanimate objects not normally thought of or designed as weapons, is what you are talking about here. We'll be covering unconventional weapons in the two day unarmed self defense skills course come June in Lake Mary.

Some tools that I personally recommend is OC and a blade.

When your life is being threatened, less than lethal products like OC are not to be relied on. No police officer I know would use OC if his life was being threatened. Neither should the CCW citizen consider it in the same circumstances. Suggesting OC use to address a deadly force encounter is bad advice.

Relative the knife----- a high art of sorts taking numerous hours to be truly proficent by design and not by chance. Yes, many people have defended themselves with blades without any training, however, the carrying of a knife with SD in mind requires some formal skills training in rapid, reliable deployment while under attack [ something that most will not be able to perform based on FoF training ] and then some semblance of actual skill at arms with the blade unless one is going to simply rely on flailing away into the wind and hope the blade connects with some part of the aggressor.

How many have any real blade training who are primarily relying on a firearm with or without a ccw license in the US? Recommendation of a blade for SD with no basic knowledge of it's deployment and use during a dynamic street encounter is not as easy as it seems simply because we have one clipped to our pockets and can open the blade with no physically induced stress.

I'd be leary of advancing the idea that the simple act of carrying a blade of some kind is going to somehow be useful to someone without some idea of how to get it into play.

The potential false sense of security that the suggestion of ones will to survive and simply carrying some tool creates can be very dangerous. It's been shown time and again that simply carrying a tool that could be used in ones defense [ even a gun ] is no guarantee the odds are increased in ones favor without some basic form of training and understanding in it's use.

One should no more carry a knife without training in that tool than their handgun. Increasing ones chances of surviving on the streets isn't due strictly because one has some tool with them.

There are plenty of previous posts from members on mindset in combat and it's importance relative surviving on this forum. I would not encourage the notion that simply carrying some tool will, in and of itself, affect the outcome in one's favor with any reliability.

The will to survive is no guarantee you will find a way to survive. Battlefields of every war have been filled with men and women who died and every one of them certainly had the will to live. Luck plays a major role in surviving a potentially lethal SD situation. The will to train to be as prepared as much as possible prior to an encounter should be the priority. Luck favors the prepared.

Kludo, good luck in your deployment

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very well put brownie
 

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TampaSsgt,

You were allowed to carry one of those where you worked. We weren't allowed to use one by the time I got on, but it would have been my preferred form of persuasion if I could have. :rolf

I have one like yours put away somewhere. Your post will likely have me searching for it in the coming days till I find it now :D

Glock23-4-Me,

After re-reading my own post this morning, I'd like to express that it's intended purpose was to bring to everyone's attention that people should not fall into the trap of thinking that the fact they are carrying some tool has them better prepared to defend themselves.

I've known too many people who've fallen into the trap of being "gear queers". They have to buy and carry the latest and greatest wizbang item that hits the market but never take the time to even learn the basics of how to deploy and utilize what they carry.

It's a trap too many fall into and never will be as prepared as they could be with some forethought and taking the time to learn some physical skills.

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Survival, or more accurately winning the fight, is not dependent upon "weapons". It is dependent upon desire and training. A grown man in good physical shape can be killed by a small woman using a single finger. If she has the knowledge and the desire to use it.

Weapons are tools for inflicting bodily harm and death upon another person. Some are better at that job than others. The handgun is a very effective defensive weapon that is designed to be readily portable. But, in and of itself, it is not particularly dangerous. It is not going to jump up off the table and open fire. The truly dangerous part of this weapons system is the human being holding the firearm. They have the power to deploy the firearm, to employ its capabilities and they must have the will to do so or nothing happens.

As to "unconventional weapons", they, just as a firearm, are simply tools that allow the true weapon, the human being, to protect himself, or herself from attack. If you are in the shower, where few of us bring our defensive firearms, and are attacked; would you simply surrender, because you did not have access to a firearm, or fight? Human beings are never helpless unless they choose to be. We're at the pointy end of the food chain for a reason. Because we are the baddest SOB's in the valley.

Survival is a mindset, not a tool that you hold in your hand. Once you grasp that concept and apply it to your everyday life, then you have truely empowered yourself. A survival mindset, coupled with a moderate amount of defensive training, will allow most people to walk through life unafraid; confident that should trouble develop, they have a good chance of avoiding it or surviving it.
 

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After re-reading my own post this morning, I'd like to express that it's intended purpose was to bring to everyone's attention that people should not fall into the trap of thinking that the fact they are carrying some tool has them better prepared to defend themselves.

Brownie
Yup.

Having a blade doesn't make you 'armed' any more than having a piano makes you Liberace (paraphrased from Col. Cooper). You have to know how to use it.
 
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