[98 SNAKE EATER]

Has anyone here taken their CCW class at Outdoor World? (Bass Pro Shops)

If so, do they include everything needed? (prints, notary, range time, etc.)

Does payment have to be in the form of a check or can I use a credit card?

I plan on getting a suppressor sometime in the near future...

If I already have a CCW, will I still need to get fingerprinted again in order to get the tax stamp?

Is it legal to carry with a suppressor installed? (providing you have a tax stamped can and a CCW)



Rick

 

[MPDC66]

I know this, the CCW process and Federally mandated checks are entirely seperate issues. For instance, being issued a CCW by Florida does NOT exempt you from a FDLE check of your prints when you buy a firearm EVEN IF THE FDLE HAS DONE THE CHECK FROR THE DOA.

It would stand to reason that Federally mandated processes and checks would be seperate proceedures and require seperate investigations.

 

[Paladin]

I'm curious, why would you want to carry with a suppressor installed?

 

[deadeyedick]

I know this, the CCW process and Federally mandated checks are entirely seperate issues. For instance, being issued a CCW by Florida does NOT exempt you from a FDLE check of your prints when you buy a firearm EVEN IF THE FDLE HAS DONE THE CHECK FROR THE DOA.

Since when do you have to be fingerprinted to buy a gun?

BTW, a Florida CWFL does exempt you from the waiting period when your purchase a gun.

It would stand to reason that Federally mandated processes and checks would be seperate proceedures and require seperate investigations.

That is correct...the background investigation done (by the state) to issue a CWFL is completely different from one done (by the feds) to purchase a Class III item.

I'm not sure about carrying with a suppressor installed; I'm not aware of any specific prohibition, but you might want to float that question by the AG (who will probably say NO).

 

[Glock23-4-Me]

I'm curious, why would you want to carry with a suppressor installed?

Mall Ninja :rolf

Just kidding welcome to the forum by the way 98 SNAKE EATER

 

[Orange Boy]

Is it legal to carry with a suppressor installed? (providing you have a tax stamped can and a CCW)Rick

Why would you carry a firearm made twice as long by using a suppressor? See too many Man From Uncle episodes? :rolf Oh BTW, welcome to the forum from another newb.

 

[MPDC66]

Since when do you have to be fingerprinted to buy a gun?

BTW, a Florida CWFL does exempt you from the waiting period when your purchase a gun.



That is correct...the background investigation done (by the state) to issue a CWFL is completely different from one done (by the feds) to purchase a Class III item.

I'm not sure about carrying with a suppressor installed; I'm not aware of any specific prohibition, but you might want to float that question by the AG (who will probably say NO).

I was referring to the background check with the Federal reporting system. That check is based upon fingerprint cards transmitted to the FBI with an arrest report. They take your name and SSN and match it to your records in the NCIC . The Dept. of Agriculture actually submits your prints to preclude clean records based on false ID info. I should have stated it as "Federal Background check" not "fingerprints" even though that is the basis for the FBIs records.

The CCW permit exempts you from the waiting period or "cooling off" period, NOT the criminal records check which will come back as a conditional non approval IF there is a question about an arrest on record with the FBI. Then there is a waiting period for the FDLE to verify either your ineligibility to buy OR eligibility. IF they cannot determine the outcome they Issue a conditional approval but you will have waited about three days from your original records check, CCW permit or not. YOU must have the record corrected by the original jurisdiction and submitted to the FBI to alter this situation or deal directly with the Feds.

 

[smith4006]

clear me up on this i was under the impression the ccw would not be issued if there was a problem with an arrest or conviction

 

[MPDC66]

clear me up on this i was under the impression the ccw would not be issued if there was a problem with an arrest or conviction

IF your FBI (NCIC) records check shows an arrest in your past without a disposition, like a juvenile charge or crime that was dismissed or a not guilty finding was made, unless the original reporting jurisdiction has updated the FBI records with a disposition showing no conviction, you will be denied by BOTH processes, pending clarification that you don't have a conviction. An arrest is not sufficient to deny either a license or purchase of a handgun unless there is a conviction or the charges are still not adjudicated.

Clearing either check DOES NOT automatically clear the other and they are totally independent of one another. Partially this is due to laws protecting privacy in gun transactions and licensing.

So, it is possible to have a carry permit but still be denied immediate access to a purchased weapon, pending the federally mandated record check, even though in Florida both are done by the FDLE. This seperation also precludes a licensed individual who is convicted of a crime outside of Florida from using his license to buy a gun he is no longer entitled to.

 

[smith4006]

Thanks for the info MPDC66 I come from a state with very strict purchasing laws, similar to those here to get a ccw. I have not yet purchashed a firearm in this state so I am not familiar with the procedure. They told me it was issued 4/6/2009 and printed 4/9/2009 still waiting on the mail!!

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

LOL

No, I don't plan on carrying with the suprressor, but I'd like to know if the law dictates that I have to remove it before carrying (like if I get stopped from the range to my car)

I took my CCW class yesterday, but it wasn't really much of a class

All they did was take your pic, tell you which bubbles to fill out on the form, fire off a couple of rounds at a target about 5 feet away, then get your prints before buzzing you out the door

Didn't open the safety booklet once and didn't discuss any laws regarding carrying

I was kinda happy that the process moved quickly (58 applicants in a teeny gunshop), but I was hoping it would at least be informative :doh

 

[MamaBear]

98 SNAKE EATER,

Look at the class as the first step in getting you legal. In the interim keep reading, taking other classes and going to the range.

At this point we have all learned that carrying concealed is a process that never ends. You are on your way. If you said that the class was the end all of classes then I really would be worried. Instead you left knowing you needed more. That is a sure sign you are going to be a competent CCW person.

 

[user7483]

IF your FBI (NCIC) records check shows an arrest in your past without a disposition, like a juvenile charge or crime that was dismissed or a not guilty finding was made, unless the original reporting jurisdiction has updated the FBI records with a disposition showing no conviction, you will be denied by BOTH processes, pending clarification that you don't have a conviction. An arrest is not sufficient to deny either a license or purchase of a handgun unless there is a conviction or the charges are still not adjudicated.

This is interesting because I have never had any problem buying any of the guns that I have. I was always conditionally approved at the gun show or shop and after the three day waiting period I was always able to pick up my guns.

But my licenese was held up pending verification from the local jurisdiction that an arrest that showed up on my FBI record check was dismissed. So is it safe to say that the check that is done when you purchase a weapon is not as thorough as the check that DOA has done on you for the license?

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

If you said that the class was the end all of classes then I really would be worried. Instead you left knowing you needed more.

Yeah, I was definitely hoping for more info

If not for actual gun safety, then at least for the rules of carrying and when it's legal to actually draw istols

Even the range time felt rushed with no info on the gun other than point and shoot

It was the first time I ever shot a real firearm, so yes, I'll be seeking further classes with proper range time before actually buying one...

 

[Glock23-4-Me]

Yeah, I was definitely hoping for more info

If not for actual gun safety, then at least for the rules of carrying and when it's legal to actually draw istols

Even the range time felt rushed with no info on the gun other than point and shoot

It was the first time I ever shot a real firearm, so yes, I'll be seeking further classes with proper range time before actually buying one...

May I suggest that you take one of BROWNIES classes next time he comes to florida????

 

[98 SNAKE EATER]

May I suggest that you take one of BROWNIES classes next time he comes to florida????

Link to Brownies?



Anyhoo, lemme go through this list before I seal the envelope:


1) Certificate of Completion
2) CCW Application Form (filled out, signed, dated and notarized)
3) Fingerprint Card (filled out, signed, dated and stamped by Orange County Sheriff)
4) Personal Check for $117 made out to Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services
5) Passport Photo
6) Copy of my Passport (I was not born in the US)


Is there anything I'm forgetting?

Should I send a copy of my driver's license?




Rick

 

[Mac45]

Spend the extra money and be sure to send it certified mail, return receipt requested. That way you will know if and when they received it.

As to your "safety class", join an ever increasing club. If you have not shot a handgun very often, get some competent instruction. Building on a solid foundation in firearms handling will serve you in good stead later.

Congratulations on taking one more step toward self protection. Feel free to ask any questions that you have. We all learn something when you do.

 

[Steve48]

Link to Brownies?

Brownie is a firearms instructor and a member here. Check out some of his posts. You'll learn a lot, and you'll see when he's getting ready to have another class in Florida. He lives in Arizona.

 

[Glock23-4-Me]

Brownie is a firearms instructor and a member here. Check out some of his posts. You'll learn a lot, and you'll see when he's getting ready to have another class in Florida. He lives in Arizona.

Thanks Steve48....................... what he said

 

[MPDC66]

This is interesting because I have never had any problem buying any of the guns that I have. I was always conditionally approved at the gun show or shop and after the three day waiting period I was always able to pick up my guns.

But my licenese was held up pending verification from the local jurisdiction that an arrest that showed up on my FBI record check was dismissed. So is it safe to say that the check that is done when you purchase a weapon is not as thorough as the check that DOA has done on you for the license?

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Both are checks for criminal records but the purchase relies on your name and SSN whereas the CCW process submits your finger prints to the NCIC (FBI criminal records system). Theoretically, in absense of a name or ssn change, they should reveal the same info. The DOA uses prints to verify the applicant IS, IN FACT who he claims to be and not using an alias to hide a criminal record.

The process after the record is retrieved is very different though. The DOA, for license puposes, is mandated to be sure you don't have a disqualifying conviction and the Federally mandated check is required to issue a temp. approval IF they can't verify a conviction, even if one may be still found later. Then they can reverse the approval, issue a denial and turn info over to local LE to have the weapon confiscated and the applicant arrested for providing false info and obtaining a weapon denied to his status.

Since you didn't have a license, the conditional approval was automatic after three days IF no determination was made as to the status of your arrest. It is possible, with a license, you will still be required to wait three days, not as a "cooling off" period but, rather, to satisfy the "default" window FDLE has to either confirm or disprove a conviction.

After the original jurisdiction confirms a non-conviction outcome, a conditional approval becomes an approval or, the reverse, if conviction is found, it becomes a permanant disapproval.

It is very unlikely a licensed carrier will have a conditional approval reversed since DOA already has confirmed a no conviction status BUT the two processes are seperate and kept so in part by privacy laws to protect your status as a permit holder.