[CJP]

Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

AP

Tuesday, May 12, 2009


WASHINGTON -- The Senate has approved a measure that would allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

A federal judge blocked the policy in March. The Obamessiah administration said it would not appeal the ruling. The gun amendment was attached to a bill imposing restrictions on credit card companies. The amendment was approved 67-29.

 

[inkedott]

Good info-thanks for the post

 

[T.S.]

Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

AP

Tuesday, May 12, 2009


WASHINGTON -- The Senate has approved a measure that would allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.

Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma sponsored the amendment, which would restore a Bush administration policy allowing loaded guns in national parks.

A federal judge blocked the policy in March. The Obamessiah administration said it would not appeal the ruling. The gun amendment was attached to a bill imposing restrictions on credit card companies. The amendment was approved 67-29.

I have been a proponent for the " line item veto ", but this is one case where I am glad it didn't exist.

Score one for the Good Guys .... :thumsup ... and thank you Sen. Coburn.

 

[Sprat]

Great new for those of us who travel, only thing left is for the president to sign the bill, he has stated he will sign the credit card reform bill which was included with this bill. I am leaving for Nevada next month hope he signs it before then

here's a press release
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090512...ional_parks;_ylt=Aj3OceqXD4hEPczSxr54zXA8KbIF

sprat

 

[Franklin]

I wonder now that it looks like the Nation Parks (and Forests?) are open to concealed carry if the states will follow suit and allow us to carry in State Parks and Forests, then in turn county and city parks?
Franklin

 

[fridaddy]

Florida already allows carry in state parks and city and county parks or forest.

 

[T.S.]

I wonder now that it looks like the Nation Parks (and Forests?) are open to concealed carry if the states will follow suit and allow us to carry in State Parks and Forests, then in turn county and city parks?
Franklin

Franklin,

I can't speak for the other states, but if you have a Florida Concealed Weapon License, the State of Florida Statutes allow you to carry concealed ANYWHERE in the State of Florida except here:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC06.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0790->Section%2006#0790.06

The 2008 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.--

(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;

any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;

any detention facility, prison, or jail;

any courthouse;

any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;

any polling place;

any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;

any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;

any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;

any school administration building;

any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

any elementary or secondary school facility;

any career center;

any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;

inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft;

or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

There is no State law which forbids a Concealed Weapon License holder from carrying in State, County, or City Parks.

I have seen signs in several parks that I go to, and I ignore them. Florida Statutes supercedes county or city ordinances.

 

[brownie]

I carry all the time in the Tanto National Forest out here. I'm not sure if that's allowed or not by statute and I really don't care much as everything in that area will either bite you, sting you, claw you or maul you if it gets the chance, and that's not including the two legged critters you could run up on 8 miles from the middle of nowhere.

If you don't have a sidearm in Tanto, you are a 1D10T. It's as wild and untamed as it was back in 1776 once you are in more than 5 miles. If I'm hassled in Tanto, it'll be by a ranger on horseback. I'll have to get the SAR creds out and see what happens at that time.

Brownie

 

[Sprat]

remote carry

Brownie

I agree as former Nevada resident, I always carried in the desert whether it was open or concealed and mostly for the two legged critters. but usually on BLM land, with National park carry I can stray into park service land with little or no concern. especially since BLM and park service land are usually adjacent to each other.
the picture in my aviatar is from my trip to the everglades in January when concealed carry was first permitted
sprat

 

[Franklin]

Thank you for the information
Franklin

 

[OLDJEEP813]

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...n 06#0790.06

The 2008 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.--

(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;

any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;

any detention facility, prison, or jail;

any courthouse;

any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;

any polling place;

any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;

any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;

any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;

any school administration building;

any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

any elementary or secondary school facility;

any career center;

any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;

inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft;

or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.




Question What is a career center?

 

[SwampRat]

Question What is a career center?

Your local "One Stop" career centers are usually "Unemployment offices"

 

[YARDDOG]

Itt Tech??

 

[jerm09]

National Forests are not the same as National Parks.
There are no federal laws that prohibit carry in NF. National Forests normally go with the state laws as to carry, etc.

Regards,
Jerry

 

[OLDJEEP813]

Your local "One Stop" career centers are usually "Unemployment offices"

Thanks SwampRat

 

[brownie]

The one time myself and two others went for a weekend camping trip to a state park in Northern Az, the gate keeper/money taker told us no weapons. My buddy pulled out is Dept of Homeland Security Border Patrol Lt's shield, and myself and the other showed our Search and Rescue ID's from the county sheriff and he told us to keep them concealed and to have a nice weekend. :drinks

Brownie

 

[Sprat]

seems to have passed today

the parks bill seems to have passed please read

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/20/news/economy/credit_cards/index.htm?postversion=2009052014

sprat

 

[Sailor]

For those in the FL Panhandle, remember that Eglin is an AFB and we are still not allowed to posses any weapon (even in the car) except one that can legally be used for hunting and during that open season.

 

[Paladin]

I have been a proponent for the " line item veto ", but this is one case where I am glad it didn't exist.

Score one for the Good Guys .... :thumsup ... and thank you Sen. Coburn.

+1

That no line item veto stuff usually ends up hurting us. Thankfully this time it worked out our way.

 

[Sprat]

the law

I see we have two threads on this subject?????????

well here is the actual wording pasted and copied for you to read

SEC. 512. PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM VIOLENT CRIME.
(a) CONGRESSIONAL FINDINGS.—Congress finds the following:
(1) The Second Amendment to the Constitution provides
that ‘‘the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall
not be infringed’’.
(2) Section 2.4(a)(1) of title 36, Code of Federal Regulations,
provides that ‘‘except as otherwise provided in this section
and parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations),
the following are prohibited: (i) Possessing a weapon, trap
or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon,
trap or net’’.
H. R. 627—32
(3) Section 27.42 of title 50, Code of Federal Regulations,
provides that, except in special circumstances, citizens of the
United States may not ‘‘possess, use, or transport firearms
on national wildlife refuges’’ of the United States Fish and
Wildlife Service.
(4) The regulations described in paragraphs (2) and (3)
prevent individuals complying with Federal and State laws
from exercising the second amendment rights of the individuals
while at units of—
(A) the National Park System; and
(B) the National Wildlife Refuge System.
(5) The existence of different laws relating to the transportation
and possession of firearms at different units of the
National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System
entrapped law-abiding gun owners while at units of the
National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.
(6) Although the Bush administration issued new regulations
relating to the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding
citizens in units of the National Park System and National
Wildlife Refuge System that went into effect on January 9,
2009—
(A) on March 19, 2009, the United States District
Court for the District of Columbia granted a preliminary
injunction with respect to the implementation and enforcement
of the new regulations; and
(B) the new regulations—
(i) are under review by the administration; and
(ii) may be altered.
(7) Congress needs to weigh in on the new regulations
to ensure that unelected bureaucrats and judges cannot again
override the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens
on 83,600,000 acres of National Park System land and
90,790,000 acres of land under the jurisdiction of the United
States Fish and Wildlife Service.
(8) The Federal laws should make it clear that the second
amendment rights of an individual at a unit of the National
Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System should
not be infringed.
(b) PROTECTING THE RIGHT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BEAR ARMS
IN UNITS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM AND THE NATIONAL WILDLIFE
REFUGE SYSTEM.—The Secretary of the Interior shall not
promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual
from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional
firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National
Wildlife Refuge System if—
(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from
possessing the firearm; and
(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with
the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park
System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.
SEC. 513. GAO STUDY AND REPORT ON FLUENCY IN THE ENGLISH
LANGUAGE AND FINANCIAL LITERACY.
(a) STUDY.—The Comptroller General of the United States shall
conduct a study examining—
(1) the relationship between fluency in the English language
and financial literacy; and
H. R. 627—33
(2) the extent, if any, to which individuals whose native
language is a language other than English are impeded in
their conduct of their financial affairs.
(b) REPORT.—Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment
of this Act, the Comptroller General of the United States shall
submit a report to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban
Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on Financial Services
of the House of Representatives that contains a detailed summary
of the findings and conclusions of the study required under subsection
(a).
Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Vice President of the United States and
President of the Senate.