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Misfires and FTE's today.

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Hi all,

I rented several guns at my local range today for comparison with regard to purchasing my carry gun. I ended up choosing the Glock 19. However, i experienced some interesting occurences that were completely new to my short but exciting time so far as a handgun owner.

1. Failure to eject - I actually had an FTE with the Glock 19. Yep, the super-reliable Austrian icon failed to eject the last casing from the gun after I emptied a magazine. I actually didn't notice because I just figured the gun was empty. I put it down and grabbed some more rounds to load. When I picked it up I noticed the slide was not completely retracted and I saw the casing lodged in the ejector port. It wasn't stovepiped, just crokked in there. I did a Tap-rack-bang to see if there was ammo still in the magazine, but after the case flew out, the gun was in fact empty. The pics below are of the casing. It is banged up at the lip. I guess this is from being caught in the mechanism (sorry don't know the technical term).





I was surprised that this occured with the Glock. I don't know what causes a FTE, but it probably has more to do with the magazine than the pistol. I can say that the mag that came with the rented gun had a very soft spring. It was much easier to load than my 92FS magazine. Chances are it's just worn out. It was the last round that failed.

2. Failure to lock back - at least four times today my slide failed to lock back after the last round was fired. I don't know what causes this, but it happened on the G19 and on my 92. Since the only common factor for both guns was the ammunition, I'm going to assume that has something to do with it. Regardless, that's never happened before. It was a bit strange.

3. A Misfire with factory ammo - At one point my beretta failed to fire. I did a tap-rack-bang. the round ejected normally and the gun continued to fire. I pretty much forgot about it and proceeded with my shooting. as i was wrapping up I found a cartridge on the floor. i picked it up and loaded it into the XD9 to fire it. I pulled the trigger and...nothing. I reseated the magazine and fired again. Nothing. So, figuring I'm a dunce and the XD9 must have some safety or something I'm not aware of, I loaded the round into the G19. Click. Finally I looked at the round and saw that the primer had a dent in it from one of the guns' firing pins. The primer was struck, but the round failed to fire. Below are pics of the round.

To me the bullet looks a bit crimped at the casing lip. Maybe that's how most bullets are but it looks stuck.


Here's the dented primer. I was surprised that this Winchester factory round was my first misfire. I figured it would be a reload down the line somewhere.



Interesting day at the range.

Dan
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Not sure about the FTF, but the FTE was likely limp-wristing.. Glocks (and many other light weight polymer guns) are prone to that due to their lower mass. My GF has an issue with it from time to time, although usually with reloads.
Misfire with factory ammo- You would need to pull the bullet from the case to check if there is powder in the case. If there is, probably a bad (weak) primer is the cause.

Primers also "Pop" when they are stiuck by the firing pin. I Doubt you could of heard it if you had ear plugs in.

Glad to see that you are practicing Tap, rack, bang technique.
this was all factory ammo and not range reloads?

FTE could be one of several things.
Limp wristing
dirty ejector springs
worn ejector
mag issues will generally not cause a fte.
Dirty gun - it is a range rental. I know that they are supposed to go 6k rounds without even needing a cleaning, but I don't want to bet on it.


the other issue - bad round -
probably a bad primer.
If the primer had went off and no powder was in the case, you'd have probably sent the bullet into the barrel. Hopefully out of the barrel. That is all the makings of a bad day.
Now, about handling that round.... everything that is supposed to happen to make the powder in that round explode has happened. For some reason it has not gone off. Sometimes, absolutely nothing will make it go off - it is a dud. Other times, a little nudge more and the machine sets in motion and that round goes off - maybe in your hand?
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I would say that the failure of the slide to lock back was almost certainly due to a weak magazine spring. The FTE could have also been caused by a weak extractor spring or a dirty extractor hook.

The dud round could have been caused by a light firing pin strike, possibly resulting from a weak firing pin spring or a cruddy firing pin channel; usually I will re-chamber such rounds and try to fire them again. If they don't go bang on the second try, it's probably just a bad cartridge...it happens.

Those who say Glocks don't need to be regularly cleaned are off their gourd...I had a G19 some years ago (before I knew how to detail strip a Glock) and took it to a Glock armorer at a GSSF match. After he detail stripped and thoroughly cleaned it, I swear the trigger pull dropped by a full pound.
this was all factory ammo and not range reloads?
That is correct, sir.

FTE could be one of several things.
Limp wristing
Couldn't possibly be that, I'm far too manly. :laughing

dirty ejector springs
worn ejector
mag issues will generally not cause a fte.
Dirty gun - it is a range rental. I know that they are supposed to go 6k rounds without even needing a cleaning, but I don't want to bet on it.
I'm buying this as the probable answer too. It's just a gun that gets used A LOT.


the other issue - bad round -
probably a bad primer.
If the primer had went off and no powder was in the case, you'd have probably sent the bullet into the barrel. Hopefully out of the barrel. That is all the makings of a bad day.
OK.

Now, about handling that round.... everything that is supposed to happen to make the powder in that round explode has happened. For some reason it has not gone off. Sometimes, absolutely nothing will make it go off - it is a dud. Other times, a little nudge more and the machine sets in motion and that round goes off - maybe in your hand?
LOL...I was thinking the same exact thing. I went to the range right from work so as I gathered up that round I dropped it into the breast pocket of my dress shirt. While driving home it dawned on me that I could be carrying a very slow burning powder charge about 3 inches from my heart. :puke

I gingerly removed the round and placed it in the door handle. I discarded the round last night after I took the pics.

Dan
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I would say that the failure of the slide to lock back was almost certainly due to a weak magazine spring. The FTE could have also been caused by a weak extractor spring or a dirty extractor hook.
OK.

The dud round could have been caused by a light firing pin strike, possibly resulting from a weak firing pin spring or a cruddy firing pin channel; usually I will re-chamber such rounds and try to fire them again. If they don't go bang on the second try, it's probably just a bad cartridge...it happens.
I did rechamber it and it didn't fire. Then, blaming my lack of familiarity with the gun,I loaded the round into the Glock and it didn't fire there either. That primer was hit multiple times by different firing pins. It wasn't budging.

Those who say Glocks don't need to be regularly cleaned are off their gourd...I had a G19 some years ago (before I knew how to detail strip a Glock) and took it to a Glock armorer at a GSSF match. After he detail stripped and thoroughly cleaned it, I swear the trigger pull dropped by a full pound.

I'll be bugging you for info on detail stripping my Glock in a coule of weeks.

Dan
I'll be bugging you for info on detail stripping my Glock in a coule of weeks.

My first gen g17 has been detail stripped once at about 81,000 round count by the glock doctor. It now has 98K+ through it, and I don't foresee having to detail strip it again for some time.

Yup, it was really nasty, but it was still running along just fine with a normal cleaning when he took it apart.

Brownie
I'll be bugging you for info on detail stripping my Glock in a coule of weeks.Dan
Do a YouTube search on 'Glock Disassembly"...there's dozens of 'em on there..
Here is a good video on how to take down a Glock. As far as disassembly goes what Brownie said is the overall consensus about Glocks.

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