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Found this in another forum. Seems fishy, no warrant no nothing.

If true it is very scary and could happen to us if they limit or regulate ammo purchases.

Last night at 12:30 pm a MD State Police "Armed Response Team" showed up at our door. I was dead asleep, my Wife was laying some ceramic tile on our basement floor when our driveway alert went off several times. She looked at the camera monitor and screamed that Police in Assault gear were running up to our front door. That made me sit straight up from a dead sleep.

We thought they were there for my Brother in Law who had just been mailed Bench Warrants to our home, but he doesn't live here and he is already incarcerated, so my Wife opened the door for them. Then I heard one of them say he had some papers for me or needed to speak with me,so I got up to speak with them 6 or 7 officers in full assault vests, etc. and NO ONE in uniform. Four heavily armed police came into the house while at least two others walked around outside of our home.

One, began to talk to me asking me about the types of weapons I own. Remember now, I was just startled from a dead sleep and I kept asking why are you here, why do you want to know about my guns? Every gun I bought in Maryland I bought from a MD Dealer. Well this Trooper said that I had purchased a "large amount" of ammunition recently and wanted to know why. When I questioned why he was asking, then he changed his tune to what type of Handguns I had. I told him I just purchased my first handgun in Maryland last week, but had not even picked it up from the Store . He questioned me about other handguns I might own and I realized that he was "fishing" to match his list of my ammunition purchases with handguns that I owned. Then I told him about my C&R license that I had purchased 2 with that but was not required to register them with ST. Police. Moreover, I told him it was the MD. ST. Police who approved me as a "designated collector" so why are they here in storm trooper fashion at 12:30 pm maybe to kill me because I legally bought some handgun ammo? He told me that most of the ammo I purchased was for weapons that they had no record of me having registered so the "SYSTEM" Flagged me. Flagged me for what? Death, Harassment at midnight by 7 Storm Troopers?

I asked, "... does your system know that it is stupid to buy ammo with your own ID if your are going to do something illegal, Does your system know that I have a C&R and can buy weapons of various calibers without your knowledge, Does your system know that you yourselves registered me as a designated collector, who "collects" so it is not unusual for me to buy any type or manner of ammunition and finally, Does your system know that it is NOT illegal to purchase handgun ammunition in the State of Maryland whether or not you own that caliber handgun?"

The Trooper (plain clothes), had a list of ammo calibers that he referred to and I agreed, there's no secret that I bought the ammo, but so what? And I'm still not sure of the States definition of a "large amount". Look, I'm not outfitting a Militia, hate group, or giving it to someone who can't buy it, or even buy ammo for a stolen weapon I don't want to register. Any weapon I have every owned has either been purchased at a Gun Store or I personally knew the individual I bought it from and its origin. And, last time I looked it is not illegal to buy handgun ammo, even if you don't own the caliber weapon OR you don't own a weapon at all !! So unless the law is changed, Police cannot harass people who do so.

That being said, the young Trooper told me I "should" voluntarily register all my weapons or this would happen again... because the "system" flagged me. And another thing, he kept asking where I kept my weapons, in a safe? I never answered him and he asked me three separate times as to the locations of any weapons I might have. I got the distinct impression he wanted me to voluntarily let him see/inspect the handguns for the calibers I bought ammo for, but I was ready for that. No warrant, no see. I mean, I would hope you could trust the Police, but why should I let six or seven or so strangers know where I keep guns? If indeed I had the calibers he was inquiring about?

The point here though, is that Police came to my home without a warrant, dressed to kill, trying to intimidate me about something that is NOT illegal !! This was not an Interview it was an interrogation under duress.

Funny the last thing he said to me before leaving was "... Mr. Curtis, sorry to have HARASSED you, you have a good night." Now that struck me as an odd thing for a Police Officer to say, especially if he was justified in doing his job. The last thing I'll say was that Trooper was courteous and having worn the badge, he and the team were sent by someone else, they're just following orders. However, whoever sent them to my home at 12:30 at night left a very bad taste in my mouth and NO ONE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES TO ME NOR DO I KNOW THEIR NAMES. But rest assured they WERE the Maryland State Police. Word has it that there is a Special "Firearms" squad within the State Police and they have been asking gun dealers to keep a log of people who purchase handgun and other regulated weapon ammunition by making them show ID and signing their name when purchasing ammunition (not required under Maryland Law). Their MVA / DMV information is put in the log by the FFL Dealer right beside the ammunition you buy. Then once a week they (Police) come back to the stores pick up the logs of ammunition purchases and as in my case, they are comparing handgun ammunition purchases against known handgun registration files. This practice was first started by the Howard County or Baltimore City Police (I believe), and the MD State Police adopted this tactic as well. Perhaps it works, some criminals are stupid enough to purchase ammunition with their own ID. I am not a criminal nor am I stupid, but I was duped into signing those ammunition logs, without the FFL Dealer advising me that it is NOT mandatory or disclosing the log's true purpose.In fact I was told that if 'you' refuse to sign this ammunition log, the Dealer will refuse the sale. I will NEVER buy ammunition from that Dealer again.
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=8891

I'm glad we live in FL and not MD.
 

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This story is almost not believable. But in a NE state anything is possible. Folks, be careful which lawmakers you vote for because one wrong turn and we will become like China or Russia. Unbelievable :thumbsdwn.
 

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Sounds like Gestapo tactics of WWII..Was it MD where a Mayor was also subject to the same type tactics except they busted his door down and shot his dogs?..I dont know about ya'll..that kinda stuff scares me...
 

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Yep, same state

Our federal government's zero-tolerance anti-drug crusade reached a new low in Prince George's County, Maryland, when police killed two innocent pet Labrador retrievers while improperly conducting a SWAT-style drug raid on the mayor's house.

On July 29, police burst into the home of Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo and immediately shot to death his two Labrador retrievers. They were there to conduct a search for drugs. The raid was conducted by county police narcotics officers and a sheriff's office SWAT Team.

they immediately executed Payton, his 7-year old dog first, followed by Chase, a 4-year-old Lab, as he ran to another room.

Upon further investigation, it was found that the police did not even bother to secure a needed no-knock search warrant. Timothy Maloney, the mayor's attorney described the incident as a lawless act by law enforcement.
 

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15 years ago, I lived in Maryland for 2 years... I DO believe this story since Maryland is one of the most anti-gun states in the union... just to give U an idea, the the amount of paperwork to own guns IS about as big and complicated as the one to own a home...

That's why I moved to Virginia... and then Florida... :drinks
 

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Now that we have the opportunity to MMQB this event, I think I would have immediately called 911 and told the dispatcher that I have multiple, unidentified armed men on my property. I absolutely would not have allowed any of them into my home and I would have told them that unless they have a warrant, they are armed tresspassers and that I am prepared to 'repel boarders' if necessary.

Or I might tactically soil myself. :rolf

The next day, I would have called the NRA, ACLU (for all the good that would do), the Governor's office, my elected representatives and every news agency that would listen. I would attempt to create a HUGE fecal hurricane over the incident.
 

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It happened during Katrina and mark my words it will happen again. National Security, National Emergency and then FEMA takes over. They have said in a National Emergency they will take guns away from citizens. My friends son in law was in the National Guard during that time. We were discussing gun confiscation and he admitted he and his unit had orders to confiscate all guns from home owners even to use force if necessary. He said they were not cataloged by the most part and they were never returned. When I complained about that he said he was proud to confiscate those weapons and agrees that in an emergency all rights to carry or own guns are out the window as far as he and others in the military are concerned. He is now a Petty Officer. I have a son in the Army in Iraq that thankfully does not share the same opinion.

See these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvV2uz10eA&NR=1
 

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.... my Wife opened the door for them.

Four heavily armed police came into the house .....
Anytime a Law Enforcement officer comes to your door, DO NOT allow them into the house unless they have a warrant.

They can ask you all the questions they want from your front door step.

Once they begin to ask you questions that you are uncomfortable with, advise them you have the right to remain silent and to have an attorney present, then stop answering questions.

They will say ... "Why do you need a lawyer? Have you done something wrong? Is there something you have that you are not supposed to have?" etc.

Don't fall for that, just because you advise you want to remain silent until you have legal counsel does NOT mean that you are guilty of anything, and you tell them that.

Simply advise that they are asking incriminating questions and you want your attorney present for legal advice before you will make any further statements or answer any further questions.

With that being said, be prepared to "take a trip downtown", if you have done nothing wrong, don't worry that is just standard procedure, play the game, remain silent until your attorney arrives.

If you do not have an attorney, it is important to have one on call that has experience with criminal cases and specifically Second Amendment rights.
 

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Florida and registration

If I'm not mistaken, Florida has made it illegal for the cataloging and registration of legal firearms and law-abiding firearm owners for any police purposes and has ordered the destruction of any such lists by all state and local authorities in Florida. Basically, if you can legally own a gun and the guns you own have never been used in a crime, the FL legislature has made it illegal to log, register or track them.

At least I'm comforted that Florida isn't matching my ammo purchases and questioning why we buy a thousand rounds or so at a time. (It takes practice, man! Practice, practice, practice!)

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Yeah, I know... I'm awaiting EPA agents to come with a warrant.

If an armed team comes to my door it'll probably be to assess the lead contamination hazard of my suspected ammo stockpile. (Good luck finding it. It's all in the backstop at the range.)

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I read every so often about police finding an arsenal in a home or apartment and i often wonder what is that supposed to actually mean?

If the firearms are legally owned and safely stored, and you have a load of ammo, which is not uncommon in these times of ever increasing prices that lend itself to people "stocking up," what is the threshold that makes one dangerous and/or noteworthy?

I have recently had a mind to ask some fire captains in my city if there are any storage requirements, but I would have to laugh if my "arsenal" would be newsworthy or cause for alarm.

Not that long ago some Asian young man in the Miami area made some threat online in a gun forum. The people in the forum reported this to the authorities, and shortly later they had a search warrant for his home. All his rifles, shotguns and handguns were on display for the media as the police patted themselves on the back for averting a possible tragedy.

When you think about it, it's a bit disconcerting if you are just minding your business and your beloved and prized firearm collection gets seized under questionable circumstances.
 

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When you think about it, it's a bit disconcerting if you are just minding your business and your beloved and prized firearm collection gets seized under questionable circumstances.
Because of my recent firearms and ammo purchases I now look at these kinds of news reports differently. How much ammo and weapons does one have to have to be considered an arsenal. Just tonight I stopped at Wally world to pick up more .223 rounds and the guy behind the counter asked me what type of rifle I was shooting and when I told him it was an AR-15 his eyes got big. I now wonder if I would be considered "out there" with what I currently have at home.
 

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LOL... don't worry, you don't seem "out there" to me, but you're right, it does make you wonder.

Have you checked some good online ammo sources to compare with your local sources? If you need some links let me know.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, Florida has made it illegal for the cataloging and registration of legal firearms and law-abiding firearm owners for any police purposes and has ordered the destruction of any such lists by all state and local authorities in Florida. Basically, if you can legally own a gun and the guns you own have never been used in a crime, the FL legislature has made it illegal to log, register or track them.

At least I'm comforted that Florida isn't matching my ammo purchases and questioning why we buy a thousand rounds or so at a time. (It takes practice, man! Practice, practice, practice!)

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And you would be correct sir .....

The 2008 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.336 Lists, records, or registries to be destroyed.--Any list, record, or registry maintained or under construction on the effective date of this act shall be destroyed, unless prohibited by law, within 60 calendar days after this act becomes law. Thereafter, failure to destroy any such list, record, or registry may result in prosecution under this act.
 

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Have you checked some good online ammo sources to compare with your local sources? If you need some links let me know.
Any link you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 

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At least I'm comforted that Florida isn't matching my ammo purchases and questioning why we buy a thousand rounds or so at a time. (It takes practice, man! Practice, practice, practice!)

- Str8Shooter
May I ask where you purchase your ammo? Having thousands of rounds sounds so intriguing. We haven't hit that level...yet. :D

Is there a certain place you purchase 9mm or .380 or .38?


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Bulk ammo

I'll have to ditto FLRon's list. Online isn't bad. You can shop around and compare prices. I get my defense rounds from www.ammunitiontogo.com. They carry Federal LE Tactical HST, my preferred defensive round. They current list it for sale to the general public, not just LEOs. (It's not illegal to buy if you're not a LEO. My understanding the LEO restriction is just the manufacturer's rule.)

I buy most of my "bricks" of target ammo from Wal-Mart when it's a good price. Yeah, they're cheap rounds. I rarely ever have a problem with mis-fires, FTFs, jams, etc. I usually will shoot a clip worth of defensive ammo at the range to get the feel for the different load, but do most of my target work with the cheap FMJ ammo. (My wife and I buy several boxes at a time when the prices are good. She gets her .22LR for her range time in boxes of 500 at Wal-Mart.)

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