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C'Mon.... you know what I mean... "guns that are in a law abiding citizen's inventory."



Is that the real problem? Guns in the hands of "criminals?" I tend to believe that's not the problem as the alphabet agencies see it. Their greater concern is the number of guns now being owned/possessed by law abiding citizens! Like I said, don't think Sandy Hook or Uvalde. Think "Ruby Ridge." Think "Bundy Ranch." The agencies know they can't control the criminal element in society. Not now, at least. But they can control the law abiding side. And that's what all those bans and restrictions are for. They do nothing to stop crime. The only thing they stop are law abiding citizens. So, when I say, "Get guns off the streets," I mean out of the law abiding society. To the agencies, that's just as bad (if not worse) than them actually being "on the streets."

About 29% of state and 36% of federal prisoners serving a sentence for a violent offense in 2016 possessed a firearm during the crime. About a quarter of state (23%) and federal (25%) prisoners serving time for a violent offense used a firearm during the crime.

As of this month there are 158,000 total in federal Inmates. Which would suggest nearly 57,000 criminals were able to attain a gun "on the streets" illegally. Given the numbers, there's certainly truth to the idea "guns on the streets" is a rather large problem. On the states side of things there's roughly 540,000 inmates. Suggesting another 156,000 or so who are doing time for gun violates [ all but a few doing time for using a gun in a crime ].

Add the two and we see roughly 213,000 in US prisons who used a firearm during the commision of a crime and got caught. Less that 1/2 of criminals get caught, which further suggests there could be well over nearly 1/2 million illegal gun carriers [ criminals ] in the US, maybe more.

500,000 "gun on the streets". I have run into a number of criminals carrying guns over my 28 years in a law enforcement capacity. There were 37899 robberies with a handgun in the United States in 2021. Every one of those victims have experienced "guns on the street" up close and personal.

 

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You just regurgitated the progressive mantra while actually confirming what @FfNJGTFO and I said. "Guns on the streets" is a political euphemism designed to deflect the attention away from the CRIMINALS and towards lawful citizens like us.

I literally just walked back into my house (out to lunch with wifey)... with a gun on my hip. So, MY gun was a "gun on the streets," as you and the progressives are wont to say.

Nope, your gun is lawfully owned, when the antis refer to gun on the streets, they are referring to criminals

It would seem the progressives have ZERO concern for guns in the hands of CRIMINALS (which you enumerated in your comment)... while casting aspersions towards lawful gun owners. WE are the "guns on the streets" that they want to eliminate. Criminals are not their concern.

They are, you just don't want to accept it.

Oddly you seem to be aligned with their use of language to exact the directive to disarm citizens.

I align with the facts presented. There are likely over a million illegally held firearms in the US, primarily handguns [ and you never having seen one means diddly squat where facts are introduced ]. Those are the guns used in crimes, not lawful guns in lawful citizens hands. That that side of the aisle seems to go go after law abiders doesn't suggest in any way shape or form they don't understand their "gun on the streets" mantra is about the criminal element.

I'm aligned with facts, first hand actually. When the AG's office stated they were going after the guns on the streets, they assigned several det troopers to the gang squad, to beef up that units ability to take down the criminals carrying "guns on the streets". Lawful gun owners were never on the radar to get "the guns off the streets", it was the criminal element they were after.

Your opinion is yours, but I just sited a real world example I was involved with at the AG's criminal division. The objective to get 'guns off the streets" was aimed squarely at one group of people, criminals. Did we get the guns off the streets? We sure did, but there's never going to be a 100% success rate at that objective to begin with. We got enough off the streets from the turds that in the following 6 months after the venture to assist the gang unit was that armed robberies were down some [ can't remember the numbers/%'s, but it did reduce gun crime in Roxbury and Mattapan which were to two sections of the inner city targeted by the add troopers to the gang unut

No lawful gun carriers were harmed in this endeavor of "getting the guns off the streets". NOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can take your consensus of my actually working the streets and what "get the guns off the streets" meant to the highest law enforcement officer in the Comm. of Ma. [ a very non gun friendly state at that ] any way you choose.

 

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When politicians talk about getting "guns off the streets," they are NOT talking about criminals. I'm not talking about law enforcement... generally speaking. I'm referring to the political and media narrative about "guns on the street." Anyone who thinks they are concerned about their PARTNERS IN CRIME (quite literally) is a fool.

They may, as you suggest, go after law abiding gun owners as the easiest group to control through legislation of guns. However, "getting the guns off the streets" doesn't refer to law abiding gun owners, per se. And if you don't think AG's are politicians, you're mistaken on that count as well

 

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Of course AGs are politicians. I was referring to rank and file LE.

Getting the "guns off the streets" is absolutely a euphemism... effective on small-minded people. Why aren't they vowing to get CRIMINALS off the streets??? I've never EVER heard a politician or media wonk make that suggestion.

It's the criminals that are the problem, yes? Or do you think the guns are the problem? No need to answer again. Rhetorical question.

Yet the AG of Ma., being a politician wasn't after law abiders with guns when he decided to "get the guns off the streets" in those very bad areas of the city with a lot of gun violence, that was the point.

It's the court system that allows criminals charged with gun violations to be set back upon society at large. Plenty of arrests are made, there's sometimes no penalty for their errant ways but a suspended sentence.

 

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"Getting the "guns off the streets" is absolutely a euphemism... effective on small-minded people.

Or for those in the know, of the behind the scenes multi jurisdictional task forces, that are put together that target citizens who are criminals, specifically criminals with guns for the purpose of "getting the guns off the streets".

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Why Are Some Murder Suspects Being Released With Little or No Bail?

The release of suspects by judges in two different homicide cases has angered top police brass.

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Career criminal indicted on murder charge freed without bail by NYC judge

A career criminal indicted in February on a murder charge for allegedly beating to death a 67-year-old man was freed without bail by a Manhattan judge on Thursday, The Post has learned.

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Mother blames New York’s no-cash bail law for daughter’s murder

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70% of Those Released on $0 Bail Commit New Crimes | Yolo County District Attorney

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San Jose police, mayor angered after homicide suspects released due to bail reform law

"This is just dangerous for everyone and we need the judicial system to be able to understand and appreciate the public safety peril that is created by these decisions," San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo said.

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I could go on and on and on with similar links. But, yeah! We've gotta get GUNS off the streets! Guns, I tell you! GUNS are doing it! Get the guns! And THEN the criminals will just stop being criminals! Makes perfect sense.

It stands to reason when you get the guns [ from criminals ] you've also nabbed the criminal. At least that's how it worked when I worked as part of the AG's effort to get the guns off the streets. Never saw a criminal who was nabbed with one or more guns just be let go by leo's. Their arrest was subsequent to the guns being taken resulting in sundry felony charges.

Are you suggesting there should be a cease and desist in targeting criminals with guns for some reason? Drugs?, ya find the guns, gangs, ya find the guns, etc. Thus gang units want to "get the guns" off the streets if only as a side benefit. Same for narcotics units, they want the drugs, but they get the guns as a side benefit at the same time.

From your links, it appears there's no bridge from getting the guns off the streets to criminals not being held responsible for their actions. To not be held accountable suggests there were arrests prior, and if they were grug or gang related likely resulted in capturing stolen firearms.

 

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In CA. if a gang member is caught with a stolen gun they are released with a ticket to appear in court it is a misdemeanor passed a few years ago .The BLM are democraps brown shirts .

Unfortunately, progressive states courts like Ca. are part and parcel to the continued gun violence on their streets in major cities like San Jose [ triads, tongs ], LA [ bloods/crips/triads etc ]. How in the hell is that state going to reduce gun violence when they won't detain those people after charges are filed, but release them right back into general public.

Some of the major efforts to get the gangs members, drug traffic have been successful, but only to a point. Politicians are cutting leo's off at the knees, thus the system designed is replaced by their idea of justice. They don't give two craps about their voters, and apparently in Ca. at least, the majority of people are stupid enough to keep voting them back into office.

Major score in an attempt to get the guns off the streets have been the SC ring transporting firearms into NYC and Boston to be distributed to other gang members in those cities. That came to light when several firearms were found to have originated in SC. That ring was busted up after a lengthy 2 year investigation.

1993/94, Long Beach harbor. A Chinese ship docked for unloading is discovered to have numerous [ forget the numbers now but something on the order of 100-200 ] full auto AK's which were bound for tong gangs across Ca. That resulted in the infamous order by Clinton to stop all importing firearms out of China.

1981, Boston, state and federal authorities are turned on to smuggling operations off their south shore coastline. Cash for guns exchanged at sea. The guns originated with the Irish organized crime faction led by ****** Bulger hdqt'd in "southie". The cache of stolen gun came from all over New England where they were warehoused in S Boston until the ship from Ireland was off shore. Long line swordfish boat was used to deliver them at sea [ that boat was out of Marshfield, Ma on the south shore, and as it came to be, I'd already investigated that boat owner for arson of one of his building in Marshfield. They'd already been paid for in advance by factions within the IRA through channels created by drug smugglers on both sides of the pond. I was involved in this one to some extent, the intel end of it anyway.

When politicians speak to getting guns off the streets, they are for the most part concerned with illegal arms in the inner cities [ targeting gangs ]. Now it is obvious some pols want the general population disarmed generally, but we've not seen anyone targeting revolvers, semi auto handguns. They've not stopped the importation of Turkish made handguns which they could easily do like Clinton did with China. That would reduce the number of guns on the streets, but those guns aren't being bought and used by gangs/criminals in any great numbers, YET