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Rep. Gaetz Declares War On ATF, Calling Agency's Rule “Snipe Hunt” To Penalize Legal Gun Owners

Rep. Matt Gaetz is leading the charge to gut the ATF. The Fort Walton Beach Republican filed the “Abolish the ATF Act” this week, which, as the name implies, would eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. “We are putting the ATF in…

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[FfNJGTFO]

I certainly laud his efforts and wish him all the best. But for that effort to be truly "effective," I'd think he'd also have to declare war on all the other alphabet agencies at the same time... any of which could easily assume the responsibilities the ATF had, should they go away.

I think what it will really take (and a bit of a Herculean effort, I realize), is a philosophy change at those agencies. They would have to come to terms with the "lawful gun owner" and allow them to exist and go about their business. I doubt seriously that will happen in the remainder of my lifetime. Their whole mantra is "get guns off the streets. ONly LE and the other 'control' authorities should have them, in order to enforce control."

Remember, don't think :"Sandy Hook" or "Uvalde" or "Orlando (Pulse)". Think "Ruby Ridge." Think the "Bundy Ranch." That's what drives them.

 

[racer88]

Their whole mantra is "get guns off the streets.

Where are these "guns on the streets???" I've never seen one! And if I ever do see one, I'm going to grab it!

It's really quite the STUPID euphemism. And, that's what it is... a euphemism designed to DEFLECT from the REAL problem which is guns in the hands of CRIMINALS. These bleeding heart morons don't want to recognize the criminal element as CRIMINALS, because in order to advance their agenda against Freedom, they NEED criminals to do criminal stuff. Criminals are in a mutually-beneficial PARTNERSHIP with progressive tyrants.

 

[FfNJGTFO]

Where are these "guns on the streets???" I've never seen one! And if I ever do see one, I'm going to grab it!

C'Mon.... you know what I mean... "guns that are in a law abiding citizen's inventory."

It's really quite the STUPID euphemism. And, that's what it is... a euphemism designed to DEFLECT from the REAL problem which is guns in the hands of CRIMINALS. These bleeding heart morons don't want to recognize the criminal element as CRIMINALS, because in order to advance their agenda against Freedom, they NEED criminals to do criminal stuff.

Is that the real problem? Guns in the hands of "criminals?" I tend to believe that's not the problem as the alphabet agencies see it. Their greater concern is the number of guns now being owned/possessed by law abiding citizens! Like I said, don't think Sandy Hook or Uvalde. Think "Ruby Ridge." Think "Bundy Ranch." The agencies know they can't control the criminal element in society. Not now, at least. But they can control the law abiding side. And that's what all those bans and restrictions are for. They do nothing to stop crime. The only thing they stop are law abiding citizens. So, when I say, "Get guns off the streets," I mean out of the law abiding society. To the agencies, that's just as bad (if not worse) than them actually being "on the streets."

 

[racer88]

C'Mon.... you know what I mean... "guns that are in a law abiding citizen's inventory."



Is that the real problem? Guns in the hands of "criminals?" I tend to believe that's not the problem as the alphabet agencies see it. Their greater concern is the number of guns now being owned/possessed by law abiding citizens! Like I said, don't think Sandy Hook or Uvalde. Think "Ruby Ridge." Think "Bundy Ranch." The agencies know they can't control the criminal element in society. Not now, at least. But they can control the law abiding side. And that's what all those bans and restrictions are for. They do nothing to stop crime. The only thing they stop are law abiding citizens. So, when I say, "Get guns off the streets," I mean out of the law abiding society. To the agencies, that's just as bad (if not worse) than them actually being "on the streets."

Exactly what I'm saying.

I wasn't quoting you with the "guns on the streets." That's THEIR slogan and mantra. I figured you were quoting them.

It's intentional language designed to deflect and redirect the gullible masses.

 

[Anduril]

There are more guns "on the street" than there are drugs on the street.
Think about it.

 

[brownie]

C'Mon.... you know what I mean... "guns that are in a law abiding citizen's inventory."



Is that the real problem? Guns in the hands of "criminals?" I tend to believe that's not the problem as the alphabet agencies see it. Their greater concern is the number of guns now being owned/possessed by law abiding citizens! Like I said, don't think Sandy Hook or Uvalde. Think "Ruby Ridge." Think "Bundy Ranch." The agencies know they can't control the criminal element in society. Not now, at least. But they can control the law abiding side. And that's what all those bans and restrictions are for. They do nothing to stop crime. The only thing they stop are law abiding citizens. So, when I say, "Get guns off the streets," I mean out of the law abiding society. To the agencies, that's just as bad (if not worse) than them actually being "on the streets."

About 29% of state and 36% of federal prisoners serving a sentence for a violent offense in 2016 possessed a firearm during the crime. About a quarter of state (23%) and federal (25%) prisoners serving time for a violent offense used a firearm during the crime.

As of this month there are 158,000 total in federal Inmates. Which would suggest nearly 57,000 criminals were able to attain a gun "on the streets" illegally. Given the numbers, there's certainly truth to the idea "guns on the streets" is a rather large problem. On the states side of things there's roughly 540,000 inmates. Suggesting another 156,000 or so who are doing time for gun violates [ all but a few doing time for using a gun in a crime ].

Add the two and we see roughly 213,000 in US prisons who used a firearm during the commision of a crime and got caught. Less that 1/2 of criminals get caught, which further suggests there could be well over nearly 1/2 million illegal gun carriers [ criminals ] in the US, maybe more.

500,000 "gun on the streets". I have run into a number of criminals carrying guns over my 28 years in a law enforcement capacity. There were 37899 robberies with a handgun in the United States in 2021. Every one of those victims have experienced "guns on the street" up close and personal.

 

[FfNJGTFO]

About 29% of state and 36% of federal prisoners serving a sentence for a violent offense in 2016 possessed a firearm during the crime. About a quarter of state (23%) and federal (25%) prisoners serving time for a violent offense used a firearm during the crime.

As of this month there are 158,000 total in federal Inmates. Which would suggest nearly 57,000 criminals were able to attain a gun "on the streets" illegally. Given the numbers, there's certainly truth to the idea "guns on the streets" is a rather large problem. On the states side of things there's roughly 540,000 inmates. Suggesting another 156,000 or so who are doing time for gun violates [ all but a few doing time for using a gun in a crime ].

Add the two and we see roughly 213,000 in US prisons who used a firearm during the commision of a crime and got caught. Less that 1/2 of criminals get caught, which further suggests there could be well over nearly 1/2 million illegal gun carriers [ criminals ] in the US, maybe more.

500,000 "gun on the streets". I have run into a number of criminals carrying guns over my 28 years in a law enforcement capacity. There were 37899 robberies with a handgun in the United States in 2021. Every one of those victims have experienced "guns on the street" up close and personal.

I'm not saying that "guns literally on the streets" are not a problem. Of course, they are! I'm just saying, I don't think that those guns are the priority for the alphabet agencies.I think the priority are those owned by law abiding citizens.

 

[racer88]

About 29% of state and 36% of federal prisoners serving a sentence for a violent offense in 2016 possessed a firearm during the crime. About a quarter of state (23%) and federal (25%) prisoners serving time for a violent offense used a firearm during the crime.

As of this month there are 158,000 total in federal Inmates. Which would suggest nearly 57,000 criminals were able to attain a gun "on the streets" illegally. Given the numbers, there's certainly truth to the idea "guns on the streets" is a rather large problem. On the states side of things there's roughly 540,000 inmates. Suggesting another 156,000 or so who are doing time for gun violates [ all but a few doing time for using a gun in a crime ].

Add the two and we see roughly 213,000 in US prisons who used a firearm during the commision of a crime and got caught. Less that 1/2 of criminals get caught, which further suggests there could be well over nearly 1/2 million illegal gun carriers [ criminals ] in the US, maybe more.

500,000 "gun on the streets". I have run into a number of criminals carrying guns over my 28 years in a law enforcement capacity. There were 37899 robberies with a handgun in the United States in 2021. Every one of those victims have experienced "guns on the street" up close and personal.

You just regurgitated the progressive mantra while actually confirming what @FfNJGTFO and I said. "Guns on the streets" is a political euphemism designed to deflect the attention away from the CRIMINALS and towards lawful citizens like us.

I literally just walked back into my house (out to lunch with wifey)... with a gun on my hip. So, MY gun was a "gun on the streets," as you and the progressives are wont to say.

It would seem the progressives have ZERO concern for guns in the hands of CRIMINALS (which you enumerated in your comment)... while casting aspersions towards lawful gun owners. WE are the "guns on the streets" that they want to eliminate. Criminals are not their concern.

Oddly you seem to be aligned with their use of language to exact the directive to disarm citizens.

 

[Anduril]

In New York, do they say "guns in the street"?

Link: Do you wait 'on line' or 'in line'?

 

[brownie]

You just regurgitated the progressive mantra while actually confirming what @FfNJGTFO and I said. "Guns on the streets" is a political euphemism designed to deflect the attention away from the CRIMINALS and towards lawful citizens like us.

I literally just walked back into my house (out to lunch with wifey)... with a gun on my hip. So, MY gun was a "gun on the streets," as you and the progressives are wont to say.

Nope, your gun is lawfully owned, when the antis refer to gun on the streets, they are referring to criminals

It would seem the progressives have ZERO concern for guns in the hands of CRIMINALS (which you enumerated in your comment)... while casting aspersions towards lawful gun owners. WE are the "guns on the streets" that they want to eliminate. Criminals are not their concern.

They are, you just don't want to accept it.

Oddly you seem to be aligned with their use of language to exact the directive to disarm citizens.

I align with the facts presented. There are likely over a million illegally held firearms in the US, primarily handguns [ and you never having seen one means diddly squat where facts are introduced ]. Those are the guns used in crimes, not lawful guns in lawful citizens hands. That that side of the aisle seems to go go after law abiders doesn't suggest in any way shape or form they don't understand their "gun on the streets" mantra is about the criminal element.

I'm aligned with facts, first hand actually. When the AG's office stated they were going after the guns on the streets, they assigned several det troopers to the gang squad, to beef up that units ability to take down the criminals carrying "guns on the streets". Lawful gun owners were never on the radar to get "the guns off the streets", it was the criminal element they were after.

Your opinion is yours, but I just sited a real world example I was involved with at the AG's criminal division. The objective to get 'guns off the streets" was aimed squarely at one group of people, criminals. Did we get the guns off the streets? We sure did, but there's never going to be a 100% success rate at that objective to begin with. We got enough off the streets from the turds that in the following 6 months after the venture to assist the gang unit was that armed robberies were down some [ can't remember the numbers/%'s, but it did reduce gun crime in Roxbury and Mattapan which were to two sections of the inner city targeted by the add troopers to the gang unut

No lawful gun carriers were harmed in this endeavor of "getting the guns off the streets". NOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can take your consensus of my actually working the streets and what "get the guns off the streets" meant to the highest law enforcement officer in the Comm. of Ma. [ a very non gun friendly state at that ] any way you choose.

 

[racer88]

I align with the facts presented. There are likely over a million illegally held firearms in the US, primarily handguns. Those are the guns used in crimes, not lawful guns in lawful citizens hands. That that side of the aisle seems to go go after law abiders doesn't suggest in any way shape or form they don't understand their "gun on the streets" mantra is about the criminal element.

I'm aligned with facts, first hand actually. When the AG's office stated they were going after the guns on the streets, they assigned several det troopers to the gang squad, to beef up that units ability to take down the criminals carrying "guns on the streets". Lawful gun owners were never on the radar to get "the guns off the streets", it was the criminal element they were after.

Your opinion is yours, but I just sited a real world example I was involved with at the AG's criminal division. The objective to get 'guns off the streets" was aimed squarely at one group of people, criminals. Did we get the guns off the streets? We sure did, but there's never going to be a 100% success rate at that objective to begin with.

No lawful gun carriers were harmed in this endeavor of "getting the guns off the streets". NOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can take your consensus of my actually working the streets and what "get the guns off the streets" meant to the highest law enforcement officer in the Comm. of Ma. [ a very non gun friendly state at that ].

When politicians talk about getting "guns off the streets," they are NOT talking about criminals. Sure... they PRETEND that's what they're talking about, but they actually NEED those criminals out there wreaking havoc. It justifies their calls for CONTROL.

I'm not talking about law enforcement... generally speaking. I'm referring to the political and media narrative about "guns on the street." Anyone who thinks they are concerned about their PARTNERS IN CRIME (quite literally) is a fool.

 

[brownie]

When politicians talk about getting "guns off the streets," they are NOT talking about criminals. I'm not talking about law enforcement... generally speaking. I'm referring to the political and media narrative about "guns on the street." Anyone who thinks they are concerned about their PARTNERS IN CRIME (quite literally) is a fool.

They may, as you suggest, go after law abiding gun owners as the easiest group to control through legislation of guns. However, "getting the guns off the streets" doesn't refer to law abiding gun owners, per se. And if you don't think AG's are politicians, you're mistaken on that count as well

 

[racer88]

They may, as you suggest, go after law abiding gun owners as the easiest group to control through legislation of guns. However, "getting the guns off the streets" doesn't refer to law abiding gun owners, per se. And if you don't think AG's are politicians, you're mistaken on that count as well

Of course AGs are politicians. I was referring to rank and file LE.

Getting the "guns off the streets" is absolutely a euphemism... effective on small-minded people. Why aren't they vowing to get CRIMINALS off the streets??? I've never EVER heard a politician or media wonk make that suggestion.

It's the criminals that are the problem, yes? Or do you think the guns are the problem? No need to answer again. Rhetorical question.

 

[brownie]

Of course AGs are politicians. I was referring to rank and file LE.

Getting the "guns off the streets" is absolutely a euphemism... effective on small-minded people. Why aren't they vowing to get CRIMINALS off the streets??? I've never EVER heard a politician or media wonk make that suggestion.

It's the criminals that are the problem, yes? Or do you think the guns are the problem? No need to answer again. Rhetorical question.

Yet the AG of Ma., being a politician wasn't after law abiders with guns when he decided to "get the guns off the streets" in those very bad areas of the city with a lot of gun violence, that was the point.

It's the court system that allows criminals charged with gun violations to be set back upon society at large. Plenty of arrests are made, there's sometimes no penalty for their errant ways but a suspended sentence.

 

[Skeptic 9094]

All the NFA's and additions must be wiped then you can eliminate the BATFE.
Geoff
Who notes change in the Swamp is impossible.

 

[LabGuy]

I have been looking for “guns on the streets” for years, I have found is a few tools (scored a Snap-on ratchet), closest thing to guns were wheel weights I cast into bullets.

 

[Anduril]

I have been looking for “guns on the streets” for years, I have found is a few tools (scored a Snap-on ratchet), closest thing to guns were wheel weights I cast into bullets.

Half the time, I can't even find the guns I want in the local gun store !!

 

[brownie]

"Getting the "guns off the streets" is absolutely a euphemism... effective on small-minded people.

Or for those in the know, of the behind the scenes multi jurisdictional task forces, that are put together that target citizens who are criminals, specifically criminals with guns for the purpose of "getting the guns off the streets".

👈

 

[racer88]

"Getting the "guns off the streets" is absolutely a euphemism... effective on small-minded people.

Or for those in the know, of the behind the scenes multi jurisdictional task forces, that are put together that target citizens who are criminals, specifically criminals with guns for the purpose of "getting the guns off the streets".

👈

Again... I'm not hearing LEOs tell me that they're getting "guns off the streets." But, I hear it over and over from politicians and media wonks. They never say a WORD about getting CRIMINALS off the streets, eh?

If they actually got criminals off the streets, the "gun problem" ceases to exist... EH?

Instead, politicians AND LE, under their direction, are turning recidivistic CRIMINALS loose. No bail. Very little prosecution. But, yeah... MY ****ING guns are the "problem." GTFOOH.