M1 Garand ammo delivery system???

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Prometheus

Discussion Starter · Mar 31, 2009

Okay, from reading a few posts and talking to a few people, I've come to understand that the metal dealy that holds the rounds and is inserted into an M1 Garand is technically a "clip" and not a "magazine". I'm about 95% certain this is correct. What I want to know is WHY. What is the criteria for the difference? Lack of a spring? The fact that the entire thing is inserted into the firearm? That the rounds are mostly exposed when they're inside? What exactly makes it a CLIP and not a MAGAZINE?

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Rvrctyrngr

· #2 · Mar 31, 2009

A magazine is a box or repository for ammunition. With the Garand, the metal clip holds the rounds for loading into the magazine. The magazine is internal in the rifle, like a Mauser or SKS. The difference being that with the Mauser and SKS, the rounds are stripped off the clip to load the magazine. With the Garand, the whole clip goes into the magazine.

Cthulhu

· #3 · Mar 31, 2009

To add to what Rvrctyrngr said, the magazines that fit into your most common autoloading pistols, AR's, AK's, etc. is a detachable box magazine, as opposed to the Garand's magazine, which as Rvrctyrngr said, is internal, and not removable.

I'm guessing the term came from back in the day, when "guns" were artillery pieces (cannons, mortars, and the like) and the place used for their ammunition storage was called a magazine.

-JT

Steve48

· #4 · Mar 31, 2009

Rvrctyrngr said:
A magazine is a box or repository for ammunition. With the Garand, the metal clip holds the rounds for loading into the magazine. The magazine is internal in the rifle, like a Mauser or SKS. The difference being that with the Mauser and SKS, the rounds are stripped off the clip to load the magazine. With the Garand, the whole clip goes into the magazine.

Once the rounds are loaded into the magazine, is the clip removed? And maybe discarded? And can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip?

Cthulhu

· #5 · Mar 31, 2009

Steve48 said:
Once the rounds are loaded into the magazine, is the clip removed? And maybe discarded? And can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip?

It depends on the gun. The two basic types of clips that I know of are the stripper clip and the en-bloc clip.

The stripper clip is used in guns like the '03(?) Springfield and the Mauser 98, where the rounds are inserted into the internal magazine via the stripper clip, and the clip is discarded or retained separately from the gun.

An en-bloc clip, like with the M1 Garand, is inserted into the magazine with the rounds.

I think the magazine could be topped off one at a time, but depending on the gun, it may have been easier to load a fresh clip.

-JT

T.S.

· #6 · Mar 31, 2009 (Edited)

Steve48 said:
Once the rounds are loaded into the magazine, is the clip removed? And maybe discarded? And can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip?

Maybe this illustration will clear up matters:

The device on the left is an m-16/ar-15 30 round magazine.
A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines may be integral to the firearm (fixed) or removable (detachable). The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored in the magazine into a position where they may be loaded into the chamber by the action of the firearm.

The device to its right is a " stripper clip " loaded with 10 rounds of 5.56mm ammunition.
A stripper clip or charger is a speedloader that holds several cartridges together in a single unit for easier loading of a firearm's magazine. A stripper clip is used only for loading the magazine and is not necessary for the firearm to function. It is called a 'stripper' clip because, after the bolt is opened and the stripper clip is placed in position (generally by placing it in a slot on either the receiver or bolt), the cartridges are pressed down, thereby 'stripping' them off of the stripper clip and into the magazine. The device to its right is an empty " stripper clip ".

The device to its right is known as the " stripper clip guide ".
You place the stripper clip guide on the top rear of the magazine. This will be used as guide to load the cartridges into the magazine. Once the guide is hooked onto the magazine, place a loaded stripper clip into the clip guide.. Once secure, now grip the mag tightly and push the cartridges into the magazine. The cartridges should slide down the stripper clip and into the magazine.

Once the rounds are loaded into the magazine, is the clip removed?

Yes.

And maybe discarded?

If you are being supplied like you were in the military, yes. If you are a private citizen who does not have a never ending budget, no. They can be reused as long as the little metal tabs don't break off.

And can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip?

Absolutely. You simply use your thumb to place a round into your magazine, one round at a time.

I hope this helped. :drinks

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brownie

· #7 · Mar 31, 2009

TampaSsgt,

You shooting blanks there?

Nice photo essay of the differences sir.

Brownie

T.S.

· #8 · Mar 31, 2009

brownie said:
TampaSsgt,

You shooting blanks there?

Nice photo essay of the differences sir.

Brownie

Brownie,

I have been accused of many things sir, but shooting blanks sure as H: censoredLL aint one of them!! :rolf

It was the only picture I could find with all of the components in it that I wanted to use.

curtis

· #9 · Mar 31, 2009 (Edited)

M1 Garand ammo delivery system???

when i first saw the post title i thought somebody was asking how to get m1 ammo. :laughing

here is a cool video of the m1 operation http://http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1vykh_garand-m1-rifle_people
and here is a link for the k98 operation http://http://www.surplusrifle.com/mauser98k/operations.asp
just to add my two cents, on the m1 you cannot top of the clip once it is loaded.
the garand is one of the sweetest rifles to shoot. of course i am biased.

Mac45

· #10 · Mar 31, 2009

Quote:
"Once the rounds are loaded into the magazine, is the clip removed?
Yes."

Quote:
"And maybe discarded?
If you are being supplied like you were in the military, yes. If you are a private citizen who does not have a never ending budget, no. They can be reused as long as the little metal tabs don't break off."

Quote:
"And can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip?
Absolutely. You simply use your thumb to place a round into your magazine, one round at a time."

Actually, in the M1 Garand, the clip is inserted into the magazine and remains there until the last round is ejected. Then the en bloc clip ejects itself. Without the clip in the magazine, the magazine will not load loose rounds from magazine to chamber The clip ejection device can be disabled, allowing the clip to remain in the weapon which is then loaded through the open bolt much the same as any other non-detachable magazine rifle. You can, however, load the chamber one round at a time, either with your fingers or a special single round loading clip that can be permanently installed. There are few other arms that utilize this loading arrangement.

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Steve48

· #11 · Apr 1, 2009

Thanks everyone. I was familiar with the stripper clips used to load M16 magazines, having used them in basic myself. I was curious about the M1 Garand clips since I've never handled one.

Cthulhu

· #12 · Apr 1, 2009

Steve48 said:
Thanks everyone. I was familiar with the stripper clips used to load M16 magazines, having used them in basic myself. I was curious about the M1 Garand clips since I've never handled one.

Just think back on any WWII movie you've seen where M1 Garands were used. If they show loading and reloading of the rifle, you'll see them push the en-bloc clip into the magazine, and when it runs dry, you'll see it eject, as well as hear the distinctive "ping".

-JT

jimmills

· #13 · Apr 1, 2009

Well, I don't have to watch a movie to see that. I still remember that distinctive "ching" as the empty clip ejected from the rifle while firing for qualification at Paris Island and other ranges after that.

Jim

T.S.

· #14 · Apr 1, 2009 (Edited)

Steve48 said:
Once the rounds are loaded into the magazine, is the clip removed? And maybe discarded? And can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip?

Steve48 said:
Thanks everyone. I was familiar with the stripper clips used to load M16 magazines, having used them in basic myself. I was curious about the M1 Garand clips since I've never handled one.

Sorry about giving you info on a box magzine and stripper clips. When I read that you were asking about " can rounds be loaded into the magazine without using a clip? " I made the mistake of assuming you were talking about box magazines and stripper clips .. my bad.

As others have posted earlier, on the M1 Garand, the rounds goes into the " clip ", and the clip goes into the " magazine well ".

Once the clip is inserted into the magazine well, it cannot be reloaded by inserting individual rounds into it.

If you intend on shooting an M1 Garand, you are aware of the procedure so you avoid getting an " M1 thumb "?

A SYMPATHETIC WARNING ABOUT “M1 THUMB”

The bolt of the M1 rifle can slam shut unexpectedly if the shooter has not strictly followed these instructions. If your thumb or finger is in its path, a painful condition called “M1 Thumb” is a strong possibility. In a half-century of military service with the United States and its foreign allies, the M1 has bitten thousands of recruits in this manner. No one ever died from it, but it did lead to a deplorable expansion of vocabulary in many languages…

… If one day you get careless and acquire an M1 Thumb, think of it not as a digit but a diploma. It shows that you’ve learned not to do it again.

curtis

· #15 · Apr 2, 2009

since I've never handled one

come on down to fort lauderdale i will let you shoot a few clips.

It shows that you’ve learned not to do it again.

+1 on that :laughing

i have not gotten the m1 thumb yet but i have come close though.

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