[Fantomas]

Just saw and handled this beauty at a local gun shop... yeah, it WOULD be hard to CC... but you GOTTA love a pistol that chambers .223!!! But the price of $1890 was a budgetbuster for me... but... DAMN!!! It even takes my Magpul magazines off my AR-15!!!!

 

[dudester]

Dang that is bad a$$!

 

[fuzzy03cls]

Guy at the range had 1 & he was like yeah it looks cool, but has no real usefulness. He was looking to sell it. I've handled one as well at the gun shop & it's really not all that. I don't like the rifle version either. Thing is SO front heavy.

 

[brownie]

Own a 556 rifle and the pistol, both stuffed in one of the black hole's :drinks

Just had an AR pistol built as well with a single point sling. Either the 556 or AR pistol with single points could be swung over the shoulder as an emergency backup gun to the main battle gun without much effort.

Brownie

 

[ibm_db2]

Just saw and handled this beauty at a local gun shop... yeah, it WOULD be hard to CC... but you GOTTA love a pistol that chambers .223!!! But the price of $1890 was a budgetbuster for me... but... DAMN!!! It even takes my Magpul magazines off my AR-15!!!!

I think they are really cool with it's gas piston front, and make a excellent SHTF right after a hurricane. In Florida all you need to conceal it, is a towel covering it on the front seat, and of course your CWP. Right now I can't afford one, I just build my first ar15 and now working on a second. Does this one required a stamp? Heck I might sell one AR15 and pick a SIG 556 while I still can.

 

[J T]

No stamp required; it's just another pistol.

 

[jrb]

What is the intended use?

I am rather new at this but, aside from possible home invasion defense, in what circumstances might this weapon be used by people who are not security guards, LEO's, etc.? I appreciate the long range ballistics of .223, but how far away would someone shoot at another person in self-defense? Would this weapon in .223 pose a serious risk of penetration and secondary damage? I don't mean to be critical, so please don't jump on me, I'm just curious.

 

[brownie]

I am rather new at this but, aside from possible home invasion defense, in what circumstances might this weapon be used by people who are not security guards, LEO's, etc.? I appreciate the long range ballistics of .223, but how far away would someone shoot at another person in self-defense? Would this weapon in .223 pose a serious risk of penetration and secondary damage? I don't mean to be critical, so please don't jump on me, I'm just curious.

It wouldn't be used for much in our daily lives, but I can see taking something like this slung over my back/backpack as a secondary with more ballistics than a pistol caliber.

It's just a toy, but a toy that could be useful in some out of the norm situations due to it's portability and firepower. With the single point sling on mine, it can be carried very easily for it's suppressive abilities.

Hope this response wasn't taken as jumping you :thumsup

Brownie

 

[jrb]

Thanks Brownie

I see what you mean. I always learn something new when I read through new posts on this site.

 

[Fantomas]

Yep... always learning here...

I've found that there is always some new (to ME at least) piece of strategic or tactical wisdom coming from Brownie or SwampRat or practically any senior member here (don't get offended if I didn't mention you, people.... too many to list!)... That's why I love this place....

And living in Miami, having been thru a breakdown in civil authority (Hurricane Andrew) once already, I can see the utility of having something like this as a SHTF backup piece... it CAN and DOES happen here, folks!! Don't stick your heads in the sand and dismiss the possible usefulness of things like this!

 

[fuzzy03cls]

That's exactly what the guy at the range I met that had it said. Which is why he was going to sell it.
He bought it cause it "looked cool" & he had the $.

 

[Sig229Elite.357]

Go with the Keltec it accepts AR magazines and is 1/3rd the cost of the sig

 

[ECHOONE]

Anyone know what the barrel twist is on it? if it's 1-7 ,use 55 gr bullet shouldnt have over penetration as rd would tumble once it hit! You mean it don't come with a holster!

 

[Hodawg]

Anyone know what the barrel twist is on it? if it's 1-7 ,use 55 gr bullet shouldnt have over penetration as rd would tumble once it hit! You mean it don't come with a holster!

Not wanting to be a dissenting newbie here, ECHOONE, but the only way for a round to "tumble", ballistic wise, is for it to encounter interference in flight. That said, any round of any caliber would not tumble unless acted upon by an interfering object, i.e. bone structure. Some calibers are better suited for bone interference/deflection than others. Heck, even a .22 cal. will ricochet like crazy after hitting a rib cage, femur, scapula, etc. The most devistating shot that Hinkley got off on President Reagan hit his humerus and continue upward and downward along the rib-cage before finally lodging, causing great amounts of damage. The same properties that make certain loads/calibers react to deflections such as tree limbs or twigs, make those same calibers/loads succeptable to bone mass. Slow speed heavy cal's such as .45 seem to just plow right through. High speed, low mass rounds such as .223, .22 mag., and even .270 Win. have a much greater propensity to "tumble" upon impact with bone structure, but will NOT "tumble" if not impeaded by contact with disrupting structures. If you're craving something that will "tumble" once it hits a human torso, save yourself some serious $$$ and just buy a rifle chambered in .22 mag and aim for the rib-cage. Just my $.02 worth.
Beers y'all,
Ken

 

[Twolimes]

Awesome! Being new here, it's nice to see people give reasonable responses to reasonable questions without getting all up in that person's virtual face.

Also, a good response to any "Why would you ever buy a (insert gun type here)?" question for me is "Because I want one."

 

[RoadGlider]

Well, if you must have it...Shooter's in Jax has it advertised like this on their website:

SIG556 Pistol
MSRP: $1,875.00
Price: $1,449.00
You Save: $426.00 (23%)

IN STOCK!!

 

[MKING]

I think it might come in handy when the zoomies or machines attack,which ever one comes first.

 

[Buckley]

I wonder if Little Bear can make an ankle holster for this platform.