[John L]

Lots of rumors floating around on the Louisiana boards stating that Louisiana will soon drop Florida permits from their reciprocity list, due to lower training standards in Florida. Anyone got the scoop on this that can share with us?

Also, why in the world does Florida not honor nonresident permits from other states, but expect other states to honor theirs? Seems to me if Florida recognizes the need for and issues nonresident permits, they would honor other states that do as well.

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Also, why in the world does Florida not honor nonresident permits from other states, but expect other states to honor theirs? Seems to me if Florida recognizes the need for and issues nonresident permits, they would honor other states that do as well.

Because they want folks to buy a FL license.

 

[TorontoGunGuy]

Bingo. This not recognizing non resident permits from other states is totally bogus and simply an attempt at beurocratic control and a money grab.
I won't recognize yours but you gotta recognize mine?

Lots of rumors floating around on the Louisiana boards stating that Louisiana will soon drop Florida permits from their reciprocity list, due to lower training standards in Florida. Anyone got the scoop on this that can share with us?

Also, why in the world does Florida not honor nonresident permits from other states, but expect other states to honor theirs? Seems to me if Florida recognizes the need for and issues nonresident permits, they would honor other states that do as well.

 

[fridaddy]

The purpose of the non resident permit was to allow you to carry in FL, if you couldn't get a license where you live. Remember FL was leading the charge at the time to establish CCW.

If you come from a state that does not allow carry we are doing you a favor to allow you to get a permit for your visits here. If you live where a permit is issued, we are happy to honor it. If you come from elsewhere buy FL. Fl will push to get its resident permits recognized to benefit its citizens and the reciprocating state, but it is not in FL interest to recognize non resident permits or to encourage other states to recognize its permits.

If you live in a state where you can not get a resident permit get off your ass and get organized, or move.

I don't see the problem.

 

[SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE]

i am confused !

I thought that Florida was not recognizing NONresident permits from other states! ie. if you live in Misissippi but have a Georgia non-resident permit it isnt honored here !! But if you live in a State that you have the permit from and florida has reciprocity with then your permit is valid here too ! Is this not how it is ? Kevin

 

[John L]

The purpose of the non resident permit was to allow you to carry in FL, if you couldn't get a license where you live. Remember FL was leading the charge at the time to establish CCW.

If you come from a state that does not allow carry we are doing you a favor to allow you to get a permit for your visits here. If you live where a permit is issued, we are happy to honor it. If you come from elsewhere buy FL. Fl will push to get its resident permits recognized to benefit its citizens and the reciprocating state, but it is not in FL interest to recognize non resident permits or to encourage other states to recognize its permits.

If you live in a state where you can not get a resident permit get off your ass and get organized, or move.

I don't see the problem.

The reason us out of state folks get a nonresident Florida license is not to carry in Florida, hell we can do that on our resident license from our own state. The reason that all the people I know that have one is to cover any down time in processing the renewal of our resident license from our own states; which is over a hundred days for the most part. The other added benefit is the Florida nonresident actually does add a couple of additional states that we can carry in.

I appreciate the fact that Florida allows me to qualify and carry their license, but it is rather dumb to not honor other states nonresident licenses and then expect them to honor theirs. When you take a step back and look at the big picture, I think we are all pretty much forgetting that it is really an infringement of our rights to allow any state to charge us for the right to carry and hopefully in the future we can fall in line with the state of Alaska, who got it right on the first try.

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

I thought that Florida was not recognizing NONresident permits from other states! ie. if you live in Misissippi but have a Georgia non-resident permit it isnt honored here !! But if you live in a State that you have the permit from and florida has reciprocity with then your permit is valid here too ! Is this not how it is ? Kevin

You have it exactly right, Kevin.

 

[MPDC66]

One of the problems is that States will cease recognizing our normal, Florida resident licenses IF they perceive that non resident license holders have obtained a Florida License to circumvent their State's laws.

A non resident permit should be to enable a non resident who spends time in Florida to carry legally IN FLORIDA. The fact that some states do recognize our non resident permits is fine BUT our wait for permits would be a lot shorter if "License mills" weren't taking advantage of our laws to license people to carry places where they are circumventing the intent of the legislature of that State.

IMHO, the way to protect our Second Amendment rights is NOT CIRCUMVENTING OTHER STATE'S laws for non residents, the permit should enable people to carry HERE as a non resident. It is obvious that legal resident license holders are losing recognition in other States because of non resident circumvention of their laws.

Change the law in YOUR STATE to be more carry friendly like Florida. Don't abuse our licensing proceedure or it will eventually change and become more difficult for everyone. Loopholes are usually closed, eventually.

 

[John L]

Don't abuse our licensing proceedure or it will eventually change and become more difficult for everyone. Loopholes are usually closed, eventually.

Your implying an awful lot with that statement and you seem to be forgetting that my out of state dollars will fill just as many pot holes as your in state dollars.

 

[MPDC66]

I'd rather have the potholes than lose the right to carry in States where my Florida Legal Resident's license is honored. We can fill our own potholes, thank you very much. Haven't you heard. We have all this "undocumented" but nonetheless hard working and honest, labor!

 

[John L]

After some more research, it looks like it was a rumor started by opponents of Bobby Jindal, when we was running for election. They stated that he has a problem with Louisiana residents carrying on out-of-state permits, and that he intended to push for legislation that would only permit Louisiana residents to carry in Louisiana on a Louisiana-issued CHL; Reciprocity would of remained for non-LA residents.

This of course was before he was elected and he has shown since his election to be a very supportive to us gun owners. For instance, he vetoed a bill that would have made it a crime to carry firearms within 1,000 feet of a sanctioned parade or demonstration in the State of Louisiana, even if you were legally licensed.

He also sponsored a bill barring federal law enforcement officers from confiscating legally owned guns after a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina, which was passed by a large margin. Based on his actions on gun control so far, I'd be very surprised if there are any facts to the rumors at all.

 

[MPDC66]

After some more research, it looks like it was a rumor started by opponents of Bobby Jindal, when we was running for election. They stated that he has a problem with Louisiana residents carrying on out-of-state permits, and that he intended to push for legislation that would only permit Louisiana residents to carry in Louisiana on a Louisiana-issued CHL; Reciprocity would of remained for non-LA residents.

This of course was before he was elected and he has shown since his election to be a very supportive to us gun owners. For instance, he vetoed a bill that would have made it a crime to carry firearms within 1,000 feet of a sanctioned parade or demonstration in the State of Louisiana, even if you were legally licensed.

He also sponsored a bill barring federal law enforcement officers from confiscating legally owned guns after a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina, which was passed by a large margin. Based on his actions on gun control so far, I'd be very surprised if there are any facts to the rumors at all.

Well, I apologize IF I sounded a bit anti-carry for any American. I just think addressing restrictions in your home state makes more sense than avoiding the confrontation by licensing in Florida, without intent of actually using it to carry in Florida. That is not the purpose for the out of state permit and legal residents are waiting long periods for processing due to "license mills" in other states taking advantage of our liberal CCW laws. IMHO, that will lead to the loss of carry rights in other States for Florida's legitimate resident license holders. The best place to fix things is aT HOME.

 

[charlie12]

News
Effective immediately, Louisiana no longer honors non-resident permits issued by the State of Florida.

http://www.lsp.org/handguns.html

That's the word over here in Louisiana.

Here's our local forum where we are talking about it.


http://bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25643

 

[RadTek]

I've seen it a couple places myself, but, haven't taken the time to confirm anything directly.

 

[Mac45]

I doubt that the State of Louisiana cares if someone from Missouri carries a firearm in Louisiana on a Florida permit. What they do care about is residents of Louisiana carrying on a Florida permit. They want all residents of the state to adhere to the same qualifications for licensing. They still intend to honor resident permits from Florida.

 

[charlie12]

I doubt that the State of Louisiana cares if someone from Missouri carries a firearm in Louisiana on a Florida permit. What they do care about is residents of Louisiana carrying on a Florida permit. They want all residents of the state to adhere to the same qualifications for licensing. They still intend to honor resident permits from Florida.

Yep Florida residents with permits are welcome. Come eat some Crawfish and bring your guns too.

 

[charlie12]

I've seen it a couple places myself, but, haven't taken the time to confirm anything directly.

Below is from the Florida concealed website.



(4) These states will honor the Florida concealed weapon license ONLY IF the licensee is a resident of the State of Florida.

 

[Mac45]

Yep Florida residents with permits are welcome. Come eat some Crawfish and bring your guns too.

I will. There is nothing like the French Quarter in the early morning. Coffee and Beignets at Cafe Du Monde, the musicians around Jackson Square, a dozen small restaurants with great food and jazz and drinks on Bourbon St in the evening.

Or you can pop in for LSU homecoming in Baton Rouge. Lunch at TJ Ribs and dinner at Juban's.

It's all on my list.

 

[charlie12]

Ok here's the lastest on the Louisiana Florida deal. It was in the local news here in Baton Rouge last night.

The word here is that it will pass.

http://www.wbrz.com/news/concealed-handgun-permit-may-be-tweaked/

Louisiana currently has dozens of agreements with other states involving concealed handgun permits. The agreement makes a Louisiana permit valid in that state, and that state's permit valid here.

A proposed bill would modify those agreements. Under the bill, Louisiana would only acknowledge a concealed weapons permit from the state where that person lives. A non-resident permit would not be allowed.

Concealed permit instructors say they back the change. They say it will make it easier for law enforcement to do things, like background checks. The instructors say someone can, at times, hide things like arrests by going out of state for a permit. This could stop that loophole.

There are currently about 28,000 concealed handgun permit holders in the state. Instructors say very few get in trouble with the law. The bill being considered this session is authored by State Representative Ernest Wooten, (R) Belle Chase.

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Thanks for the update, Charlie!

I forget...does LA issue 'permits' to out of state folks?