Leaving a gun shop, through the door, just outside when

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brownie

Discussion Starter · 6 mo ago

3 men rush you at the entrance armed with AR's/AK's intent on robbing the place. They push you back inside at gun point, then tell you to stand at a certain location and not move. They proceed to threaten the gun clerk/employees who one of the them then rounds them up into a corner of the shop where he'll watch them while the other two get to grabbing the good stuff.

What ya going to do, you're armed with your EDC.

Wait for an opening and try to take all 3?

Make no plan to affect their demise as waiting could lead to your own demise for doing nothing?

Wait until one of them actually is about to shoot you, then draw out of desperation/last ditch effort to save yourself?

The second their attention is not directed at you, draw and fire on all 3 of them?

What ya got up your sleeve for self rescue, you're armed up, amped up/life is in imminent danger of grave bodily harm or death.

Is this scenario survivable if they are intent on killing all witnesses?

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2411

· #2 · 6 mo ago

I don't let them push me in. I push back and run like hell. They're not going to come after me, because the prize is inside.

I couldn't think of a Hollywood-inspired answer to this one!

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #3 · 6 mo ago

racer88 said:
I don't let them push me in. I push back and run like hell. They're not going to come after me, because the prize is inside.

I couldn't think of a Hollywood-inspired answer to this one!

The hollywood inspired replies really don't answer the questions though. Lest people think they can duplicate what trick photography can do on the screen, of course

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #4 · 6 mo ago

racer88 said:
I don't let them push me in. I push back and run like hell. They're not going to come after me, because the prize is inside.

I couldn't think of a Hollywood-inspired answer to this one!

You could get shot in the back, it's definitely an option to run. Might die tired, might not.

2411

· #5 · 6 mo ago

brownie said:
The hollywood inspired replies really don't answer the questions though. Lest people think they can duplicate what trick photography can do on the screen, of course

I guess you couldn't see my tongue planted firmly in cheek.

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2411

· #6 · 6 mo ago

brownie said:
You could get shot in the back, it's definitely an option to run. Might die tired, might not.

Or, if I stay / comply, I could get shot in the face.

This answer was serious. No way I'm complying. My rule is never ever comply with an order to go to a place that is out of sight.

I'm running. I'll take my chances as a moving target AND knowing that their focus is what's inside the gun shop... not me. Me running is a distraction to their mission. Furthermore, shooting me running down the road in plain sight would actually be self-defeating to their mission, because it would "out" them in plain sight to plenty of witnesses. It would interfere with their plan.

That's why they want you to go back inside. And that's why I wouldn't. I'm GONE. The gun shop staff can fend for themselves without me.

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mike1956

· #7 · 6 mo ago

racer88 said:
I don't let them push me in. I push back and run like hell. They're not going to come after me, because the prize is inside.

I couldn't think of a Hollywood-inspired answer to this one!

The old, reliable "I'll just run away" retort.

brownie

Discussion Starter · #8 · 6 mo ago

racer88 said:
I guess you couldn't see my tongue planted firmly in cheek.

I could see it, but I'm not sure people reading the thread will take it seriously after the first comical replies

2411

· #9 · 6 mo ago

brownie said:
I could see it, but I'm not sure people reading the thread will take it seriously after the first comical replies

Usually, you're complaining that nobody replies to these threads.

I'm just trying to be the person who goes out on the dance floor first... even if it's a really goofy dance.... to get the others to get out on the dance floor.

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Rick McC.

· #10 · 6 mo ago

Not enough specific info for me to develop a specific plan.
Is where they want me to stand close to real cover?
Are they watching the others more than me?

I’d definitely be looking for an opportunity to open fire as I scramble for cover.
Much more than that’d be governed by the layout of the store, activities of the BGs (how I read the situation), and what opportunities are presented for me to take what actions.

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brownie

Discussion Starter · #11 · 6 mo ago

Rick McC. said:
Not enough specific info for me to develop a specific plan.
Is where they want me to stand close to real cover?
Are they watching the others more than me?

I’d definitely be looking for an opportunity to open fire as I scramble for cover.
Much more than that’d be governed by the layout of the store, activities of the BGs (how I read the situation), and what opportunities are presented for me to take what actions.

No cover except glass show cases.
Yup, after you've complied, they've ignored you for the most part.

We'll wait for some more replies before I give my own solution and why.

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mike1956

· #12 · 6 mo ago

No eyes seem to be on me in the scenario. With two of them loaded up with stuff, and the other one looking away, I should have some viable options.

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2411

· #13 · 6 mo ago

I'll say it's nice to see some gun / defensive threads. That's what this forum needs.

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Earl 007

· #14 · 6 mo ago

I would comply at first because it is not my circus and not my monkeys they have INS ,I would try to be a good witness and wait for a chance to get away or end the threat .

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7.62Kolectr

· #15 · 6 mo ago

After they’ve moved me back inside and left me.
How close to the door am I?

Rick McC.

· #16 · 6 mo ago

brownie said:
No cover except glass show cases.
Yup, after you've complied, they've ignored you for the most part.

We'll wait for some more replies before I give my own solution and why.

Then as the opportunity presents itself; I’ll be shooting them as I run towards them.

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BeerHunter

· #17 · 6 mo ago

racer88 said:
Or, if I stay / comply, I could get shot in the face.

This answer was serious. No way I'm complying. My rule is never ever comply with an order to go to a place that is out of sight.

I'm running. I'll take my chances as a moving target AND knowing that their focus is what's inside the gun shop... not me. Me running is a distraction to their mission. Furthermore, shooting me running down the road in plain sight would actually be self-defeating to their mission, because it would "out" them in plain sight to plenty of witnesses. It would interfere with their plan.

That's why they want you to go back inside. And that's why I wouldn't. I'm GONE. The gun shop staff can fend for themselves without me.

Serpentine. . .serpentine!

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edgehill

· #18 · 6 mo ago

Rick McC. said:
Then as the opportunity presents itself; I’ll be shooting them as I run towards them.

This would probably be my option if I’m being ignored. Or at least shoot while moving toward the door. Depending on their positioning, you know you’ll get one, maybe two but not three unless they are bunched up. So the two closet get the cider house rules and the furthest gets a wall of bullets as I move to the door.

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2411

· #19 · 6 mo ago

BeerHunter said:
Serpentine. . .serpentine!

Exactly! LOL! I can't believe I didn't think of THAT Hollywood-inspired defensive tactic!

brownie

Discussion Starter · #20 · 6 mo ago

Rick McC. said:
Then as the opportunity presents itself; I’ll be shooting them as I run towards them.

Whoa!!!!!!!!!! behind a wall of bullets? Yippi Ki Ya, MF's

So you believe the best defense is a good offense. I like the way you think, and the confidence to pull it off.

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