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Let them try that sh*t in:

Houston, TX
Kennesaw, GA
Tulsa, OK
Jackson Hole, WY
Ketchikan, AK

I'll bring the popcorn.
Really don't like the thought of having to move to one of those places but it may come to that. Thankfully, when they lose the WH this November. . . AGAIN, perhaps the tide will start to change, but I'm not holding my breath. If this country keeps marching in the Socialist Democrat direction in the 2024 election and beyond, I may be faced with that choice before it's time to drape a flag over me. I will NOT live under Socialist Democrat tyranny! In fact, when I have the rare nightmare, I find myself wondering what flag they'll try to hand Mrs. BeerHunter by the it's time to put me in the ground. 🤔
 
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Really don't like the thought of having to move to one of those places but it may come to that. Thankfully, when they lose the WH this November. . . AGAIN, perhaps the tide will start to change, but I'm not holding my breath. If this country keeps marching in the Socialist Democrat direction in the 2024 election and beyond, I may be faced with that choice before it's time to drape a flag over me. I will NOT live under Socialist Democrat tyranny! In fact, when I have the rare nightmare, I find myself wondering what flag they'll try to hand Mrs. BeerHunter by the it's time to put me in the ground. 🤔
I imagine it'll look something like this.
 

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And Mrs. BeerHunter will NEVER accept that. She's come a long way from her familial roots, most of whom have become sheeple because they continue to vote D out of mindless tradition, not because they apply any critical thought about where things are headed. Nor do they understand that it's not really D they are voting, but S. I've asked them some pointed questions about things I know they seem to value and still I get either "deer in the headlights" looks or emotional, irrational responses when I ask them who they think is leading the country towards those ideals. It's clear they've just always voted D without thinking much about it and have drank the very simplistic "Orange Man = BAD" mindset.
 

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It's called BRAINWASHING. They'll be Libs until Seattle comes to them but it'll be too late by then. I've seen interviews with people who live in the area and they're bewildered. These people could lose everything they've worked their lives for and they still don't know they voted for it.
 

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we all try to advocate for the Second Amendment no doubt. Sometimes demonizing people doesn’t work, it’s what they expect.

I found an approach that has worked with folks who will listen. I first ask them if they are the type of person that will listen to the other side of an argument or if they are unwilling to possibly learn. That’s a loaded question but folks give me the opportunity to speak with them.

I then talk about 10 round magazine limitations. I start by getting them to agree that a trained police officer in exchange of gun fire is almost always working/on duty and has been awake (contrary to some I have worked with) the majority of the shift. I then explain that the national average for rounds fired versus hits in trained police officers is somewhere in the range of 25%. That means that in a 10 round magazine a police officer has 2.5 chances of striking a perpetrator. Then I go forward and describe that yourself as a homeowner, if awakened in the middle of the night to a home invasion, you would be disoriented etc. they usually agree.

I’ve then pose to them if two people came in to the house then to rob/rape/kill if the homeowner did half as well as an alert trained police officer you might have one chance out of ten to hit one of the bad guys. Then my question becomes what do you feel you owe your family a one in 10 chance of hitting one of two home invaders or burglars dictated by the government or more choice dictated by yourself? Do you feel you have a right to defend your family in a way you decide or do you feel more comfortable with having the government tell you what to do?

If they say “I’ll hide and call the police“ and then the response to that is pretty easy. How are you going to keep the bad guys occupied for the five minute response time? Perhaps challenge them to a quick game of Scrabble?
 

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we all try to advocate for the Second Amendment no doubt. Sometimes demonizing people doesn’t work, it’s what they expect.

I found an approach that has worked with folks who will listen. I first ask them if they are the type of person that will listen to the other side of an argument or if they are unwilling to possibly learn. That’s a loaded question but folks give me the opportunity to speak with them.

I then talk about 10 round magazine limitations. I start by getting them to agree that a trained police officer in exchange of gun fire is almost always working/on duty and has been awake (contrary to some I have worked with) the majority of the shift. I then explain that the national average for rounds fired versus hits in trained police officers is somewhere in the range of 25%. That means that in a 10 round magazine a police officer has 2.5 chances of striking a perpetrator. Then I go forward and describe that yourself as a homeowner, if awakened in the middle of the night to a home invasion, you would be disoriented etc. they usually agree.

I’ve then pose to them if two people came in to the house then to rob/rape/kill if the homeowner did half as well as an alert trained police officer you might have one chance out of ten to hit one of the bad guys. Then my question becomes what do you feel you owe your family a one in 10 chance of hitting one of two home invaders or burglars dictated by the government or more choice dictated by yourself? Do you feel you have a right to defend your family in a way you decide or do you feel more comfortable with having the government tell you what to do?

If they say “I’ll hide and call the police“ and then the response to that is pretty easy. How are you keep the bad guys occupied for the five minute response time? Perhaps challenge them to a quick game of Scrabble?
That's beautiful.
 

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we all try to advocate for the Second Amendment no doubt. Sometimes demonizing people doesn’t work, it’s what they expect.

I found an approach that has worked with folks who will listen. I first ask them if they are the type of person that will listen to the other side of an argument or if they are unwilling to possibly learn. That’s a loaded question but folks give me the opportunity to speak with them.

I then talk about 10 round magazine limitations. I start by getting them to agree that a trained police officer in exchange of gun fire is almost always working/on duty and has been awake (contrary to some I have worked with) the majority of the shift. I then explain that the national average for rounds fired versus hits in trained police officers is somewhere in the range of 25%. That means that in a 10 round magazine a police officer has 2.5 chances of striking a perpetrator. Then I go forward and describe that yourself as a homeowner, if awakened in the middle of the night to a home invasion, you would be disoriented etc. they usually agree.

I’ve then pose to them if two people came in to the house then to rob/rape/kill if the homeowner did half as well as an alert trained police officer you might have one chance out of ten to hit one of the bad guys. Then my question becomes what do you feel you owe your family a one in 10 chance of hitting one of two home invaders or burglars dictated by the government or more choice dictated by yourself? Do you feel you have a right to defend your family in a way you decide or do you feel more comfortable with having the government tell you what to do?

If they say “I’ll hide and call the police“ and then the response to that is pretty easy. How are you going to keep the bad guys occupied for the five minute response time? Perhaps challenge them to a quick game of Scrabble?
Excellent model for great dialogue, Shark! We all need to have this same discussion with every apparent anti-2A person we encounter, assuming they will listen, of course. (y)
 

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What gets me, all the blame the press gives the nra and rights about scary black guns.
Why we shouldn't have them because the evil nra and rights are the killers. lol
 

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Disagree, More flies with honey etc.
One of the things that gets anti-gunners is the fact that they associate pro-gun with right wing. The guys with AR's hanging at demonstrations.
I (Liberal) make sure i always tell them I am a liberal AND a gun owner.
Do they care that you own a gun as long as you support their agenda with your votes?
 

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Do they care that you own a gun as long as you support their agenda with your votes?
Some are neutral,a few (mostly in NYC-where there are NO GUNS:D) are really anti-gun. "Why do you NEED a gun"? I respond,I need a gun because there are OTHER people who have guns. Also Amend. #2 does not speak of need as a pre-requisite of RKBA.
But bottom line; we generally agree on other things.
 

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Some are neutral,a few (mostly in NYC-where there are NO GUNS:D) are really anti-gun. "Why do you NEED a gun"? I respond,I need a gun because there are OTHER people who have guns. Also Amend. #2 does not speak of need as a pre-requisite of RKBA.
But bottom line; we generally agree on other things.
Interesting. I don't like the "other people with guns" argument because it still suggests that "guns' are the problem and there's no other way to commit violence. I would replace it with "violent armed predators".

Excluding the New Yorkers, I'd be willing to bet that there are way more armed anti-gunners than anyone knows. How many anti-gunners do you think really believe that gun control/confiscation has anything to do with reducing crime and violence? I mean people on the street. Not the leaders who know what they're doing.

I have a good friend and neighbor who's anti-gun. I've showed him 25 year stats on gun ownership, carry and crime rates. He looks at them, nods and falls back on the brainwashing that says "but gun control will make us safer". He's not an unintelligent person but it's like he's blocked from taking in certain information.
 

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Interesting. I don't like the "other people with guns" argument because it still suggests that "guns' are the problem and there's no other way to commit violence. I would replace it with "violent armed predators".

Excluding the New Yorkers, I'd be willing to bet that there are way more armed anti-gunners than anyone knows. How many anti-gunners do you think really believe that gun control/confiscation has anything to do with reducing crime and violence? I mean people on the street. Not the leaders who know what they're doing.

I have a good friend and neighbor who's anti-gun. I've showed him 25 year stats on gun ownership, carry and crime rates. He looks at them, nods and falls back on the brainwashing that says "but gun control will make us safer". He's not an unintelligent person but it's like he's blocked from taking in certain information.
I call that, "having a case of the 'yeah, buts'."
 

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Interesting. I don't like the "other people with guns" argument because it still suggests that "guns' are the problem and there's no other way to commit violence. I would replace it with "violent armed predators".

Excluding the New Yorkers, I'd be willing to bet that there are way more armed anti-gunners than anyone knows. How many anti-gunners do you think really believe that gun control/confiscation has anything to do with reducing crime and violence? I mean people on the street. Not the leaders who know what they're doing.

I have a good friend and neighbor who's anti-gun. I've showed him 25 year stats on gun ownership, carry and crime rates. He looks at them, nods and falls back on the brainwashing that says "but gun control will make us safer". He's not an unintelligent person but it's like he's blocked from taking in certain information.
No, It suggests that PEOPLE are the problem. "Guns don't kill people,people kill people"
Also,as I said the 2nd Amend. does not speak of need. I have guns because I WANT to have guns and the Amend. gives me that right.
 

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No, It suggests that PEOPLE are the problem. "Guns don't kill people,people kill people"
Also,as I said the 2nd Amend. does not speak of need. I have guns because I WANT to have guns and the Amend. gives me that right.
Technically, the Amendment recognizes that you inherently already have that right, not that it was "given" to you by the government.
A small, but important distinction. :)
 

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Technically, the Amendment recognizes that you inherently already have that right, not that it was "given" to you by the government.
A small, but important distinction. :)
Not small at all, IMO. It is a critical and YUGE basis for ALL of our Rights. It is THE basis. Our Rights are Natural (or god-given). We are endowed with our Rights by virtue of birth. The Constitution simply recognizes those Rights as inviolable.
 

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Disagree, More flies with honey etc.
One of the things that gets anti-gunners is the fact that they associate pro-gun with right wing. The guys with AR's hanging at demonstrations.
I (Liberal) make sure i always tell them I am a liberal AND a gun owner.
I'm OK with the fence-sitters. I'll be nice to them. It's the committed anti-gunners, the Karens, the yuppie urban trash, the celebrities, the Hollywood bundles of sticks, that I have zero respect for.
 
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