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Where should I have my money? What other items other than gun should I have ready?

I asked this because I was looking at some old posts and Brownie mentioned he keeps his money on his weak side for a distraction. Not sure what he meant by that. Also, I was watching a video on youtube where a guy was demonstrating some techniques for CCW carry and showed how to keep a folder on your weak side in case someone goes for your gun. Grab his hand (on or going for your gun) and grab the knife with weak hand and start stabbing.

Any other tricks to distract the BG and draw and shoot or to give yourself an advantage?
 

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Lots of martial arts/self defence training moves. But unless you are trained in them odds are, you are going to get shot by a guy with a gun out and trained on you before you can do anything. You've already made a lot of mistakes by letting him get that close to you and get his gun out on you.


Possible options:
1. Give him your money and hope he leaves.
2. Turn your weak side toward him. Make a big show of getting your wallet out while you are drawing your gun on your strong side. Hope you are faster than him.
3. Training strongly reccommendedRedirect the gun - slap it, grab it, etc. to get it pointed away from you while bringing your own gun or knife to bear. Hope you are better trained than he is.

I'm sure there are more...
 
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What about carrying a small folding wallet containing a few bucks, some of those shiny paper credit cards they send in the mail as ads, and a fake student id with a fake name. Let him have the fake wallet. He'l probably be gone by the time he actually looks at the cards. Keep the real wallet in the other pocket. Thats what I do.
 

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When I first read the title of the this thread, I thought, "What the heck are you telling us for?" :rolf

Seriously though, the money in the front pocket is there so you can reach it and toss it on the ground as a distraction to the BG in order to get away, draw a weapon...whatever your game plan is. Other distractions could include looking wide-eyed past the assailant and exclaiming "Oh : censored!" or feigning a heart attack. In any case, if your're going to employ a distraction technique, you must be prepared to immediately get off line of the BG's muzzle and make your move...whatever that may be.
 

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I don't carry a wallet, I carry a money clip in the offside front pocket. Nobody is going to pickpocket my wallet in this manner.

They aren't getting the money, they'll have to accept the BUG in the back pocket off side and hope they make it long enough for emergency medical care to arrive. :rolf

If he's within 4 feet, he gets to play H2H and I'll take the gun from him anytime I want to make the move. Then he can ask nicely that I let him walk away and we'll forget this ever happened.
 

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So what do you do with the money if he asks for it... throw it on the ground? Or go straight for the bug?
If he demands my money, he's asking me and expecting me to move. Moving to the rear pocket, he thinks he's getting what he wants, he's wrong, maybe dead wrong, but he's wrong.
 

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I actually had this happen to me once. It was when I was stationed in NYC. As luck would have it, I'd been training with one of the most highly regarded martial arts instructors in the NYC area.

Example's of his style can be found here.


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When I first read the title of the this thread, I thought, "What the heck are you telling us for?" :rolf

Seriously though, the money in the front pocket is there so you can reach it and toss it on the ground as a distraction to the BG in order to get away, draw a weapon...whatever your game plan is. Other distractions could include looking wide-eyed past the assailant and exclaiming "Oh : censored!" or feigning a heart attack. In any case, if your're going to employ a distraction technique, you must be prepared to immediately get off line of the BG's muzzle and make your move...whatever that may be.
For me, whatever that may be, with a gun pointed at me would be to p**p myself. After that, if he still wants my wallet he's earned it.
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If he demands my money, he's asking me and expecting me to move. Moving to the rear pocket, he thinks he's getting what he wants, he's wrong, maybe dead wrong, but he's wrong.
Y'know...someone told me once that my wallet isn't worth dying over...I agree....someone needs to tell that to the BG. Apparently, he thinks it is.
 

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Where should I have my money? What other items other than gun should I have ready?

I asked this because I was looking at some old posts and Brownie mentioned he keeps his money on his weak side for a distraction. Not sure what he meant by that. Also, I was watching a video on youtube where a guy was demonstrating some techniques for CCW carry and showed how to keep a folder on your weak side in case someone goes for your gun. Grab his hand (on or going for your gun) and grab the knife with weak hand and start stabbing.

Any other tricks to distract the BG and draw and shoot or to give yourself an advantage?
I have heard about people using that theory as well. Problem is implementing it. If you have a gun on your strong side, and a blade on your weak and he goes for your gun are you really only going to try and stop him with your one hand? That's a FIREARM he's going for. Your blade won't mean anything if he gets your smoker. If you are focused on retrieving ur folder he will have 2 hands to go after your piece and unless you are very well trained he'll probably retrieve it. As soon as the struggle begins he will move to your strong side and you will be trying to spin or stab over your shoulder to get to him and he will gain superior fire power. Yours. Now all of these can be over come with training, but it's something that needs to be practiced and with a realistic partner. I would prefer to use both hands for H2H. Firearm retention. I carry at 3:30 so my elbow will clench in and tight over my firearm with my hand still at the ready while I twist away and intercede with my left hand. First will be a very fast reaction of dropping elbow in, then lowering center of gravity, then either a knife blade (straight hand) to throat or my left thumb will be removing BG's right eyeball. These reactions must be fast. Fumbling with a knife is not the best idea in my opinion. Remember we are at justified deadly force, no time for Mr. Nice Guy. Its time for Mr. Ugly.
Brownie, SwampRat, any difference of advice or opinion or add ?
 

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I have heard about people using that theory as well. Problem is implementing it. If you have a gun on your strong side, and a blade on your weak and he goes for your gun are you really only going to try and stop him with your one hand? That's a FIREARM he's going for. Your blade won't mean anything if he gets your smoker. If you are focused on retrieving ur folder he will have 2 hands to go after your piece and unless you are very well trained he'll probably retrieve it. As soon as the struggle begins he will move to your strong side and you will be trying to spin or stab over your shoulder to get to him and he will gain superior fire power. Yours. Now all of these can be over come with training, but it's something that needs to be practiced and with a realistic partner. I would prefer to use both hands for H2H. Firearm retention. I carry at 3:30 so my elbow will clench in and tight over my firearm with my hand still at the ready while I twist away and intercede with my left hand. First will be a very fast reaction of dropping elbow in, then lowering center of gravity, then either a knife blade (straight hand) to throat or my left thumb will be removing BG's right eyeball. These reactions must be fast. Fumbling with a knife is not the best idea in my opinion. Remember we are at justified deadly force, no time for Mr. Nice Guy. Its time for Mr. Ugly.
Brownie, SwampRat, any difference of advice or opinion or add ?
IMO, implementation of this plan can be problematic as you suggest.
1. Weapon presentation [ the firearm ] has to be faster than most will have the practiced skill for or there could be a gun grab attempt, but more importantly perhaps is what is he using to try to control you with while demanding the money? Knife? his own gun?
2. If he's threatening you with a firearm beyond your reach, drawing your firearm might bring incoming, few will win drawing against the drop
3. Distraction is a tactic that can work, but not always, again what is he threatening to use to get you to comply--gun or knife, how close, what's the disparity of force relative reach and strength between you?
4. As goldsamurai26 mentions, what's your skill level with presenting your knife/folder under stress against an unwilling participant?

When you are in it for all the marbles, it's not the best time to be trying this for the first time based on a theory or tactic that has not been honed with practice as airhead mentioned. I'd add that other skills might need to be called on in conjunction with the gun or knife as has been mentioned by others like good H2H and gun retention skills. If someone is going for my gun as I'm drawing I think goldsamurai26 makes a good point that most will need both hands working to keep the BG from getting your own gun away from you. It's not an easy skill to keep your gun from being taken if he's got his hands on it.

In this scenario, with the BG threatening with a gun, distraction can create some time as DE mentions but one needs to be able to utilize that increment of time to good effect, meaning the presentation of your own firearm has to be as fast as possible and likely coupled with some type of tactical movement off line of his own muzzle. What if the BG doesn't go for the money thrown down? Makes you bend over and pick it up yourself and now he's PO'd because he knows that little trick and suspects you are up to no good? Ouch, could be a bad day if he's not that stupid to fall for that ruse.

I rather think the gun in MY back pocket where people normally carry a wallet will be my best chance of working this scenario. He expects me to reach for the wallet in that pocket. It precludes all the above and may be the fastest way to send incoming his way unexpectedly. In that case, the BUG now becomes the primary to possibly create time and distance to draw the strong side heat and get to work.
 

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I heard a tip about carrying a money clip with all singles - amount up to you - and when the guy asks for your money you throw the clip off to the side and rear of the guy, most times he'll go for the money and when he turns, thats your opening for your move.
 

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Very good points. Brownie, do you carry a bug in your weak side back pocket? What kind of bug is it?
I do carry a BUG in the left rear pocket of my jeans almost every day. Lately it's been an NAA PUG in 22mag, but it could be a Seecamp or J frame 36.
 

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I do carry a BUG in the left rear pocket of my jeans almost every day. Lately it's been an NAA PUG in 22mag, but it could be a Seecamp or J frame 36.
Very cool little gun. I think I might have to get one of these for my weak side back pocket... it is a little expensive though. When I get the money I could see myself carrying two BUGs.. one on the ankle and one in the weak side back pocket. Is there a limit to the amount of guns you can conceal?

I carry my weapon at about 4 o'clock so I can pretend to reach for wallet on strong side and grab my gun which is close to my wallet.
 

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Very cool little gun. I think I might have to get one of these for my weak side back pocket... it is a little expensive though. When I get the money I could see myself carrying two BUGs.. one on the ankle and one in the weak side back pocket. Is there a limit to the amount of guns you can conceal?

I carry my weapon at about 4 o'clock so I can pretend to reach for wallet on strong side and grab my gun which is close to my wallet.
I've chosen this gun for most of the BUG work due to it not needing to be in a holster. The cylinder has "stops" between the cylinders chambers and the hammer is lowered into one of these notches so it doesn't rest on a chamber. It can't go off till you cock it manually, there's no trigger guard.

I find I literally forget the gun is there all day long, but wouldn't forget it was there if I needed to palm it and have it in hand. If I come out to a parking lot at night from dinner [ usually in the winter on the shorter days ], I retrieve the gun as I exit and palm it to the vehicle a lot of times. I don't even need to see a potential pre-assault indicator to do so.

I'll usually palm it to the front pocket, putting my non dominant hand in my front pocket which seems like a natural thing to do when walking for most people and doesn't draw any attention at all. Mine has the Xpress tritium big dot front sight on it though I don't know how much use it will be for what I plan to use it for.
 
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