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I saw this video and wondered what you think of it.
I hope this works.
I hope this works.
I just saw this.
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Only the left half of the video was in my field of view on my Android phone. 
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Are you clicking the dropbox link? I edited the post because I had the same issue.
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Wondering why the person armed didn't put some more space between them while the guy was taking his shirt off?I saw this video and wondered what you think of it.
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Actualy, I thought it was center mass given the angle at which I saw it. The angle seemed too high to me to be crotch/leg. He was lucky the GGWG didn't get a sucessful head shot, or a Mozambique. And I saw the whole frame on my desktop.
Was the GGWG charged with anything?
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Same here. Didn't guy wanting to fight was all that much of a "threat" and this didn't look like a justified shoot to me. Depending upon the state and the totality of the circumstances, how this gets handled by the SA will be interesting! Of course, we don't see what took place before the video started, but I still don't see a good shoot, regardless.
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Yeah, tough call. Yeah, the BG was talking smack while the GGWG was at "low ready." He ordered the BG to back off. The BG didn't and kept advancing. The GG goes high and aims. The BG still advances and the GG fires only once, droping him. It's true the BG didn't have a weapon out, but he was still advancing on the GG. Is that enough to constitute "reasonable fear of death or GBH?" Don't know.Same here. Didn't guy wanting to fight was all that much of a "threat" and this didn't look like a justified shoot to me. Depending upon the state and the totality of the circumstances, how this gets handled by the SA will be interesting! Of course, we don't see what took place before the video started, but I still don't see a good shoot, regardless.
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That's what I thought as well.
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No idea what prompted the guy to draw down on him, other video suggests knife, it appeared to me the guy was attempting to take is firearm. He let the guy get way too close in my opinion. I would have had the gun in tight to my hip with my left hand as a blocker so there is no way he could grab the firearm. Shot would been center mass from the hip not gun extended.
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I would of kicked at his groin and while he is watching my foot I would of smacked him in the side of the head with the gun to start with.
That would be a lot easier to explain to the Police than shooting him.
If he had a knife all bets are off.
That would be a lot easier to explain to the Police than shooting him.
If he had a knife all bets are off.
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If the guy had a knife, it's a good shoot. He's advancing on the gun holder, when clearly muzzled with a firearm. That IS indication enough the gun holder is in imminent danger of grave bodily harm or death.
He'd have not taken one to the lower extremities. Shirt off and advances, game over for him.
He'd have not taken one to the lower extremities. Shirt off and advances, game over for him.
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I'm sorry...does nobody see the guy as a threat?...I will be quite honest...I'm not going hands on with anyone I don't know their capabilities ahead of time...the moment he said put your hands up and fight like a man against a gun his mental state is in question...
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He said, "I'm going to take that gun from you." That's a threat, IMO.
I agree.
Yeah... no context in this video. I see a POSSIBLY good shoot.
I'd say yes... "I'm going to take that gun..."
What I'm thinking, too.
That all said, I'd probably have "beat feet" when he was pulling his shirt off. Good opportunity to make a run for it, while the BG's eyes are covered. Plus I'm pretty sure I could outrun his fat-a$$.
I'm running... to save HIS life.
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I absolutely see this as a threat. I think the part that could justify him was the guy was trying to disarm him. No way am I going to let that happen and or fight over my own gun. Nope.
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Couldn't see the knife but if he had one and was threatening/advancing on the guy with the firearm, or was saying, "I'm going to take that gun away from you" or some such, that changes the situation a bit. At first glance, it appears the guy with the gun is NOT the [current] aggressor. However, I'm not sure we really know that from the limited context of this video. If he truly was holding a knife and pressing an attack and the guy with the gun was truly just the defender throughout the whole engagement, then it certainly doesn't look good for the alleged attacker, shot as he was advancing on another with an edged weapon a virtually milliseconds away from striking distance. I need more context!
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