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Forget that I had to re-do my fingerprints. That is history. Today I went to the range and shot 75 rounds through my .38 and was fairly accurate. (Well, as accurate as you can be firing at a non-moving target that is not returning fire). Anyway, I shot about 60 rounds through my Ruger LCP .380 and then the trigger broke. Yep, not only do I have to wait on getting my license now I get to jump through all of Ruger's hoops and send my gun back to them. Argh!

I'm a bit uneasy about using the LCP at this point unless they replace it altogether. The last time I was at the range it fed 5 rounds but the 6th round just wouldn't feed. I'd have to rack it and clear it and load up another magazine and again it would feed 5 and keep the 6th. It did this several times.

I have to say I'm not feeling safe anymore with this gun as my personal safety gun. I selected it because of its size and ability to conceal. I'm not large and do not go for the sloppy casual look so trying to hide something is a bit tricky.

What say you about any suggestions as to an alternative gun instead of the .380? I'm not in the market yet but I'm beginning to have wandering eyes. Suddenly my loyalty to the Ruger brand is on shaky ground. The idea is for me to be able to hear 'bang' when I pull the trigger. I'm glad this happened at the range and not when I might have been in a dangerous situation. I would have hated for this gun to fail me when I needed it most.

Perhaps a bit of chocolate will make everything better. It's been a rough few days in the gun department with me lately.

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Good discussion on small weapons here.

How many rounds total do you have through the LCP? I had to put a little over 200 rounds through my PM9 before I got all the kinks worked out. Flawless since then.
 

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I have 350 rounds through it. I was really wanting this gun to be reliable but began to feel a bit uneasy after the first few jams and was not happy with it on my last range visit when it began to not even fire the last round.

I've been reading around on some Ruger forums and others have had the trigger to break on them. It seems there were some kinks with the first few batches of the LCPs and after what happened last visit and today's it appears I have one of the lemons on my hands.

Thanks for the small gun link. I read through it but what I really want is for my LCP to be reliable. I went with the Ruger over the Kel-Tec because I liked the look of it better.

Guess I'll call Ruger tomorrow and hope they send me a label so I don't have to pay for the postage since I'm dealing with more than one issue with the same gun. I really hope they just replace it and not repair it. For some reason I just don't feel right with a repaired gun especially since it is still new. Maybe it is because I'm still a newbie.


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MamaBearto2,

Ruger will make it right, no matter what the issues are with it.

When you get it back, put 200 rds through it and if it doesn't puke, I'd not have a problem with reliability issues after that. If it still has issues just once with the first 200 after getting it back, trade it for something else that catches your fancy.

Probably one of the most reliable 32's is the Beretta Tomcat here:

http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm

They're quite a bit wider than the Keltecs or LCP's, but they are very reliable handguns. Been made for a long time and have a stellar reputation. Under no circumstances get the knockoff of this gun made by Taurus. We've had too many come back to the shop for repair. We've never had a tomcat come back.

A few of my friends have had the tomcats for ages and they've all be reliable so the design has been around for a very long time and Beretta has made this one ultra reliable. So much so that the elite Israeli Mossad have used the 22lr version for 'hits' for decades.

Hope that you get that lcp straightened out and yes, I think a bit of chocolate is in order to keep perspective here :D


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I'm a bit uneasy about using the LCP at this point unless they replace it altogether. The last time I was at the range it fed 5 rounds but the 6th round just wouldn't feed. I'd have to rack it and clear it and load up another magazine and again it would feed 5 and keep the 6th. It did this several times.

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I heard of this happening before. It turned out the shooter's finger would work its way up during each shot till it was riding on the slide slowing it down.

The other possible solution may be trying a new mag, but that one is doubtful.
 

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My personal policy is to never purchase a gun that has not been on the market for at least a couple of years and the design has already had all the kinks worked out. All manufacturers turn out lemons from time to time, but it always seems like more are turned out early on. I'm sure that Ruger will make things right by you.

After 350 rounds, I'm inclined to think that you've already burned through about 20% of the gun's service life. The LCP, like the Kel-Tec, is designed to be carried a lot and shot a little. If you decide to stick with the LCP, you may want to consider purchasing a second one; one for range use and one for carry.

Kahr is coming out with a new compact .380, but it too has the disadvantage (to me, anyway) of not being a completely vetted design...not to mention that it costs twice as much as an LCP! :eek: The Kahr 'haters' notwithstanding, I do consider them to be one of the most under-rated pistol manufacturers around...my P9 is by far the best compact pistol I have ever owned (and I've owned a LOT).
 

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Thank you for your encouraging words. I called Ruger and she will email a mailing label some time today. I'll drop it by a UPS tomorrow and begin the waiting game again.

She did say that according to my Serial number that I'm not in the initial batch of guns but mine still had some issues that they've since corrected. I'm wondering why I was never contacted about these other issues until I contacted them about something else. She said if the gun was reparable they would fix it. Call me green but if there are that many issues I want a new one that is a current release and does not have these issues.

I told y'all I was a newbie and will learn from my mistakes. I thought with Ruger's reputation that having a new highly anticipated gun they would have worked out all these issues before going to market. I guess I've learned that tried and true matter with guns.

MamaBear

ps - it doesn't help my confidence with Ruger when I caught a typo on their instruction manual. Yes, I not only read every word in that book but I also had the nerve to email them about it. Some things just need to be made right. I figured if their reputation was riding on their products then they should also pay attention to the detail in their manuals as well. Perfection is necessary when dealing with guns or the instructions that tell you how to use those guns. No, I'm not always that much of a jerkette but I was not going to let that one slide. I am a teacher after all. It would shock you to know the amount of errors in text books and also literature books. Sometimes we get so distracted at the errors we forget the story. We are true geeky homeschoolers. :)
 

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Thank you for your encouraging words. I called Ruger and she will email a mailing label some time today. I'll drop it by a UPS tomorrow and begin the waiting game again.

She did say that according to my Serial number that I'm not in the initial batch of guns but mine still had some issues that they've since corrected. I'm wondering why I was never contacted about these other issues until I contacted them about something else. She said if the gun was reparable they would fix it. Call me green but if there are that many issues I want a new one that is a current release and does not have these issues.

I told y'all I was a newbie and will learn from my mistakes. I thought with Ruger's reputation that having a new highly anticipated gun they would have worked out all these issues before going to market. I guess I've learned that tried and true matter with guns.

MamaBear

ps - it doesn't help my confidence with Ruger when I caught a typo on their instruction manual. Yes, I not only read every word in that book but I also had the nerve to email them about it. Some things just need to be made right. I figured if their reputation was riding on their products then they should also pay attention to the detail in their manuals as well. Perfection is necessary when dealing with guns or the instructions that tell you how to use those guns. No, I'm not always that much of a jerkette but I was not going to let that one slide. I am a teacher after all. It would shock you to know the amount of errors in text books and also literature books. Sometimes we get so distracted at the errors we forget the story. We are true geeky homeschoolers. :)
you will find that with the death of bill ruger sr quality is 2nd bill jr = get it out the door and deal with what ever comes back sr 9mm lcp 380
both have had problems that are being handled one gun at a time in hopes of a small # of returns have a kel-tec p3at that runs like the energizer bunny.
but they had to recall the sr9. just 2 many to let it slide.
STILL NO CARRY LICENCE???:cool:
 

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My CW9 Kahr is by far one of the most reliable guns I have owned. I have tried everything to make it jam or misfire; goes bang everytime.
I especially love the fit and finish, smooth with close tolerances; so close in fact,that it is required to put 200 rds through it before using it as a carry. But I couldn't get it to fail even during break in.:)
 

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Wow, I could use a few of those strategically placed in my home.

Considering that lately I've turned into Queen Whine I'm surprised that I've not been shown the exit door from this site. There are some extremely patient men on this board who undoubtedly have learned to tolerate such behavior (or at best ignore it and keep their comments to themselves).

Maybe I should just munch on a few of these chocolate guns and go back to my reading and learning from all of your posts.

MamaBear

ps - Ruger sent me the shipping label and since the UPS store is down the road my gun is already on its way to AZ.
 

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@ Brownie "Probably one of the most reliable 32's is the Beretta Tomcat here:"

I must respectfully but FIRMLY disagree on this.

My experience with the Tomcat was one which does not inspire confidence at all.

Problem 1. Broken Firing pin after 200 rounds and dry firing w/snap caps

Problem 2. Trigger broke in same duration.

These are terminal failures and unacceptable for a carry gun in my opinion. I have put ALL my handguns through similar treatment with no similar failures.


Web searches under "Beretta Tomcat Problems" yield complaints about cracked slides in some models.

I chose the Tomcat over the Kel Tec because of the name and my great experience with my M92. However, unless I hear of a significant revamp of the current models, I will not own another Tomcat.

Additionally, for a mouse gun it is on the wide side, which for me reduces
the benefit of the design.

I am sorry to hear of the delays in acquiring your license and the issues with the LCP.

Kel TEC (On whose design the LCP is based) has proven to be very reliable both with their P32 and PF9 in my experience. I have a P32 (.32acp) and it has proven mostly reliable (There was a non terminal spring issue with the slide stop which I have posted on elsewhere on the forum). No terminal failures and reasonably accurate. VERY thin and light and is easily THE MOST CONCEALABLE pistol in its caliber, that I have ever owned.

An alternative in the size category is the Walther PPK/S and you can get them in .32acp as well as .380. Mine was .380 and it was very accurate in my hands. However, the recoil became tedious and I traded towards a new Glock 26 (9mm subcompact).

A cheaper alternative to the Walther ($550 ish) is the Brazilian made Bersa brand which offers a PPK "Clone" for about $200-250 cheaper at around $180-$280. Same size (basically) and its received good reviews. Expect .380acp as the cartridge however.

I am glad for the experience in the various pistols I cited, however in the end the two guns that "Do it" for me are the Glock 26 and the Kel Tec P-32.

The glock goes in an a fobus ankle holster and can be worn with nearly any type of jean or dress pant and the Kel Tec rides the inside of my belt utilizing the Kel Tec P32 belt clip or a Desantis Nemesis Pocket holster.

The Kel Tec is the default carry option.

The G26 is the lightest recoil of any gun I have fired in its sub compact class. Accessories are readily available and of course the reliability (reputation) is very good.

Best of luck!

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Konrad,

I understand when one has had a bad experience with any firearm it's hard to believe they can have such a good reputation over the long haul. The Tomcat does have the reputation of years of reliable service however. If they suffered a bad run on heat treating of slides, I hadn't heard of it, though it's quite possible a serial range got through quality control with that or more issues for some period of time.

I would suspect there is going to be an occasional quality control issue with any model of firearm, even the G19 glocks in certain serial ranges had issues due to quality control [ and yet we know glocks are known for reliable service ]. If one had bought a glock 19 in the serial range of problem guns, one would have a bad taste for glocks, specifically that g19 model ], yet we know the g19 is one very serviceable firearm and doesn't suffer from the problem as in the range of serial numbers that got through with a problem. At one point, no one would touch a g19, then over time, we all learned the g19 issue within a certain range of serial numbers and moved on with a reliable weapon.

I think if the tomcats at one time had issues within certain serial number ranges, they've long been resolved. I've not had one come back in the shop in two years of sales, unlike the Taurus clones that are returned far too often. Don't forget that the Beretta 92's had slides crack on the first run guns the military received as well and had to be upgraded after failures of slides leaving the frames on some of them. That gun had QC issues as well, but it design is sound and there are not many complaints of that model since from servicemen with the exception of caliber in ball ammo in combat.

I mentioned they were quite a bit wider than the keltecs as well. Still a very concealable firearm, but certainly not like the LCP's or Kelties. The Israeili teams didn't pick the Beretta [ though it's the 22 long rifle version they use ] for it's reputation of being an unreliable design ].

I'm also of the opinion similar to deadeyedick's, that "My personal policy is to never purchase a gun that has not been on the market for at least a couple of years and the design has already had all the kinks worked out."
and that's why I haven't bothered with the LCP yet. I did the same thing with the Kelties, but their reputation is of a reliable weapon overall.

You can still find people who hate them as they got one that didn't work well, or could not be fixed to their satisfaction by Kel-tec, yet the majority are not experiencing an overwhelming failure rate on those models. You have to go with the majority if you are picking a small firearm to begin with. The tolerances are more critical than on larger framed guns and harder to get right all the time, hence some quality control [ QC ] issues still get through. One takes their chances with the overall performance of a small gun and the reputation overall over years of service in choosing these pea shooters if they are prudent.

It's one of the reasons I carry the Seecamp .32acp as my backup if I carry a pea shooter backup at all. Many years of excellent performance, semi custom and handmade/hand fitted insures their stellar reputation over the long haul of being on the market. Yes, it a lot more expensive, but you buy quality and in the small pea shooters, I want that hand fitted quality as it errs on the side of caution where reliability is concerned.

I have a Keltie as well, but it's more a backup to a backup for me than something I'll rely on as a back up gun when the Seecamp is available to me. This thread brings to the forefront several mentionables.

1. Buy a gun that has a reputation for reliability and that means it's been on the market for some length of time.

2. Stay clear of the latest/greatest models to hit the streets in the gun rags.

3. Don't buy the gun rag writers testing and reports on new models as they are the least reliable source of information [ they get paid to write about the guns and they hardly ever write a bad review of any gun thats also paying for advertising in the same rag.

4. Buy the best quality firearm you can afford and that means researching/scouring the forums for posters comments on that model from personal experiences.

5. All gun makers can and will at times have quality control issues within certain ranges of serial numbers at some time or another in some models. Knowing that, it's even more imperative to understand you aren't buying just a "model" of a gun makers products offered, you should be buying the design based on reliability over an extended period of time.

Even the Keltie 380's had a design change with an upgraded extractor system and are into their second model of that design. The 380's initially suffered design problems and got a bad reputation, and many, hearing those recounts from dissatisfied customers steered clear of the Keltie alltogether for a time. The 32 never suffered the fate of the first gen 380 Kelties and thats when I purchased the two 32's my wife and I have. I wasn't going to take the chance on the 380, even the second gen upgraded extractor models until they'd been out for a length of time and I could get a sense of their worth through reports from members of forums first hand [ which you will get if you wait long enough ]. Now we know the 380's suffered quality control issues initially, and the LCP is no different.

The first 6000 LCP's were recalled for bad trigger pins that cracked/broke rendering the gun useless. That issue has been corrected for the most part, but there may be other issues down the road, and so the reports will verify if there are further complications at Ruger in getting this gun reliable in time.

I know of only two who have ever had an issue with the Seecamps in all the reports on that model/caliber over many years of being sold to the public. Seecamp took care of them straight away, and they haven't suffered any design flaws or been problematic.

MamaBearto2,

You could do worse than trade the LCP in for a Seecamp in 32. I wouldn't recommend the newer 380's, for the very reason they haven't been out as long as the 32's and so don't have that stellar reputation over the long haul which I prefer before I purchase these small pea shooters. Just something else to consider in your choice of a pea shooter that's with you all the time.

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Brownie and Konrad,

This is *exactly* the type of conversation that I need to be reading. I'm out the door this morning but have a block of time tonight and tomorrow night as the dh is in NYC for business. I get to live on the computer after the kids go to bed and read and research the things you are referring to.

Also, may I pick your brain about 9mm? I've handled a few of them and my husband owns a Walther P99. I like it because it is slim and has deer in headlights for sights compared to my LCP (which basically has none). I'm seriously wondering how I would conceal even a gun that size though. That is one of the reasons I keep going for the smaller .380 type of gun.

This is such a good site for people like me. You all are a wealth of information.

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Now you're talking MamaBearto2. The P99 is a full-size service pistol and is not the easiest to conceal, but there are plenty of reliable compact 9mm's on the market...the Glock 26, Smith & Wesson M&P Compact, Kahr P9 and PM9 come immediately to mind. The Walther PPS also looks promising, but once again it's a relatively new design. Once you get out of mousegun territory, I think you will find the larger pistols to be more solidly constructed.
 

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Folks....I think our forum has been invaded by some ass crack....between 0330 and 0430 this morning. All topics have the same list of threads from these people. Wow....just when we were going good, along come the hackers.
 

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When Kel-Tec came out with the P3AT, there were lots of extraction problems. They got it resolved pretty quickly and either repaired the guns right away or sent parts to those who could do the work themselves. No charge.

Let's hope Ruger is as good.

This happens now and then in every industry. The sales people put pressure on the engineers to get the product on the market ASAP. They rush it into production. The first units are shipped with significant problems. Then there's a period of stonewalling/denial followed by a recall. Or, if the company is run by honest managers, there's an immediate recall and free repairs.

Time for Ruger to step up.
 

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Folks....I think our forum has been invaded by some ass crack....between 0330 and 0430 this morning. All topics have the same list of threads from these people. Wow....just when we were going good, along come the hackers.
+1. I'm on now 1:15 pm and just a few minutes ago, looks like we got hit again. Thanks to the mods again for removing the crap.
 
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