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I have been trying to find a "comfortable" holster to carry IWB. I carry either a J frame or a sig 226. Both when I carry them OWB are comfortable when standing and bearable when driving. Both guns when I try IWB rigs including crosbreed supertucks with 2 inches extra on the pant size, a thick leather belt, etc, are comfortable when standing but absurdly uncomfortable when driving. I don't know if I am being unrealistic on how comfortable sitting with a pointy piece of steele on inside my pants can actually be. Attached are some pictures to see if you can figure if I am doing anything wrong. I have tried adjusting the cant of the gun and going from the 3 o'clock to the 4 o' clock position. All pictures are taken infront of a mirror.

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OWB is the most comfortable without a doubt however for me IWB has always been a compromise between concealment and comfort. The most discomfort is when driving and so I shift the entire rig more to the 3 O-Clock position from my 3:30 normal carry. The best you might get is with the Crossbreed because of the large leather backing. The position of the rig in the pics looks good. Try moving it more to 3:30 and see if it feels any better.
Some folks just can't do IWB, regardless of the holster/belt/gun/pants, etc.... I'm one of them. In 20+ years, I've tried every IWB under the sun from all the 'big boys'. Just ain't happening. I can IWB in the appendix position, and that's it. Just the way I'm built.

OWB for me, thanks.
Before I got canned, I had a 45 minute drive to work, one way. I never had comfort issues with my Crossbreed Supertuck, worn at about 3:15 to 3:30.

-JT
I'm pretty particular about how I dress, so the idea of wearing a pant oversized enough to be able to put a Sig or Glock between my body and the waist of my pant was hard to imagine. Then you have to get a rigid enough belt to hold it up and keep it close to the body.

It never worked for me the few times I tried it with a Versa-Max II, so I stick to OWB or pocket carry.
Here is how I get the perfect position with the crossbreed

1. Unload and checked weapon
2. removed clips from holster
3. put clips on the belt
4. holstered weapon in the holster
5. positioned holster IWB (without clips installed)
6. found a comfortable position while sitting, standing, and walking
7. tightened belt slightly
8. moved the clips to approximate where the holster mounting holes would be.
9. Marked the holster with a pencil (a small dot would do), right above the clips (serves as a visual marker for step 11.
10. removed the holster and clips from belt.
11. fastened clips to the holster (right to the pencil marks in step 9)
12. Check fit with clips installed and in position.
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I'm pretty particular about how I dress, so the idea of wearing a pant oversized enough to be able to put a Sig or Glock between my body and the waist of my pant was hard to imagine. Then you have to get a rigid enough belt to hold it up and keep it close to the body.

It never worked for me the few times I tried it with a Versa-Max II, so I stick to OWB or pocket carry.
Hi Fl Ron, I have issues with IWB as well, I have a leather pancake type and a plastic paddle type, both of which seem to print alot. Do you have problems in terms of printing with yours? what type of owb are you using may I ask?. How are you keeping the print to a minimum? I have tried IWB in the past and it just doesnt work for me either.Thanks
I have found that the easiest carry for me is a Smith & Wesson J-frame snub nosed .38 in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster. All it requires is a decent sized pocket and a decent belt to keep your pants from sliding down. At 15 oz. (+ ammo weight) it is the easiest carry for me.

When I don't carry that way, I use a Blackhawk Serpa OWB for either the Smith or a Glock 19, and then use long enough shirts for concealment.

After reading Brownie's thoughts on possible lock problems with the Serpa, I have ordered a few new holsters that I am waiting for. Time will tell if i like it better or make some new deposits to my holster drawer. :D

When it's all said and done, with the minimal clothing and cover garments that I usually wear here in Florida, the pocket carry just seems to work best for me. I also like the ability to be able to walk casually while at the same time assume a proper shooting grip, while never drawing attention to myself.
I love the idea of pocket carry. It would be almost 2nd nature for me, as I've always carried around a bunch of "junk" in my pockets anyway...

I just can't get comfortable with "pocket" sized arms. The closest I can get that I'm comfortable and somewhat accurate with is "medium" frames..If I could stuff a Sig 239 or Ruger SR9 into a pocket hoster and shove that into a pocket....I'd be in Concealed heaven... but, I guess that's not likely. :laughing

I can get used to IWB, it's the over-garments that is giving me grief. I absolutely hate the heat. The idea of an extra garment in the middle of August here gives me the willys to be blunt. I've learned a lot here regarding types of clothing to use, but, I'm still not digging the idea. :thumbsdwn

But, in the end, it's a choice of comfort or safety for me and mine.
This may not apply in the Florida humidity but after 3 years out here in heat that gets to 115-118 in the summer months I found something that keeps me cooler.

I noticed the mexican crews working around here in two shirts. A T shirt tucked in and an over T. I finally asked one of the crews why they wore two shirts in such heat and was told you stay cooler than one T.

I tried that and it works. With one T I'm soaked through the shirt all day, and with a tucked T and over T, I'm not as hot nor sweating as much. I've been wearing two T's since last summer, it works out here. Seems the under T close to the body absorbs the sweat and you get an evaporation cooling effect.

Brownie
This may not apply in the Florida humidity but after 3 years out here in heat that gets to 115-118 in the summer months I found something that keeps me cooler.

I noticed the mexican crews working around here in two shirts. A T shirt tucked in and an over T. I finally asked one of the crews why they wore two shirts in such heat and was told you stay cooler than one T.

I tried that and it works. With one T I'm soaked through the shirt all day, and with a tucked T and over T, I'm not as hot nor sweating as much. I've been wearing two T's since last summer, it works out here. Seems the under T close to the body absorbs the sweat and you get an evaporation cooling effect.

Brownie
I think I posted the same thing either in this thread or another one, Brownie. A zillion desert dwellers in the Middle East can't be all wrong!

COTTON IS YOUR FRIEND! Cotton t-shirt, cotton over shirt (preferably button up worn open like a jacket) will help keep you cooler than 1 layer alone....of course at 98degrees and 2000% humidity, you're only going to stay just so cool.

Stay away from synthetics, especially the fast-dry stuff if you're wearing something over it.

Been wearing two shirts in the Florida heat for a lonnnnnnnnng time. Give it a try.
Rvrctyrngr,

I didn't catch that anywhere but it's a good heads up for others. I'm much cooler in the heat out here. As you mention, the desert dwellers in the middle east have had this figured out for a long time.

Stay sharp

Brownie
Good ideas. Also stick to light colors or white, as they are cooler.

Of course Brownie is operating on a different fitness plateau. Ooh-rah! :D
If you call 25 pounds over what I should be a "different fitness plateau", you're right:rolf

I need to get more hikes into the Superstitions under my belt [ literally ] and that extra "pack" I'm carrying will disappear pretty quick. :thumsup

Brownie
drbarbara,

I'm not aware of how long you've carried a firearm but the more you carry one on a belt the more comfortable you'll be in all positions you may find yourself in. Driving, standing, kneeling or on one or both knees, it won't matter once you become one with the gun and holster.

Some holsters are more comfortable than others. I find 3-3:15 O'clock the most comfortable and the fastest draw for me. I don't like the FBI 15 degree canted holsters that have to be worn at 4-4:30 carry positions.

In time I think you'll find what works best for you, but it requires you carry all the time till that holster and gun are in a position on your belt that feels just right for you and your body.

I now carry in OWB holsters only where I used to carry in the IWB Sparks VM-2's most of the time. I occasionally carry cross draw as well. I've carried so long I don't even think about "printing" issues.

Nothing you buy is going to instantly be "comfortable" in every position. You'll get used to it over time though, then carrying will be second nature. "Comfortable" comes from familiarity.

Ron,

I've never looked liked that picture, I don't have an underbite :D. I've saving it to my computer though, it's a good one.

Brownie
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Here is how I get the perfect position with the crossbreed...
My method is slightly different:

1. Unload and check weapon
2. Remove clips from holster
3. Put clips on the belt
4. Holster weapon in the holster
5. Position holster IWB (without clips installed)
6. Find a comfortable position while sitting, standing, and walking
7. Tighten belt slightly
8. Remove gun and holster
9. Place holster in unused holster drawer
10. Stick gun in pocket

:rolf

My fat ass gave up on IWB carry a long time ago.
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carrying a weapon should be comforting, not necessarily comfortable.
Wow, Brownie and Rvrctyrngr, I'll admit, putting on two shirts sounds insane in the heat, and since you're not the first ones to say that "layering" cotton works, I got to thinking about it, and it actually makes sense from a scientific point of view. I'll definitely give it a try. I'll try anything once if it means feeling cooler in the summer. :rolleyes:

Thanks. :thumsup
This is freakin wierd

First thanks to all of you that have pitched in in this matter. Today I found out something very wierd. I normaly carry on my way to work (1 hour drive), at work I don't carry so the pistol stays in the car for 12 hours, and then I again carry on the way back. The driving part was killing me. Today was my day off and I decided to carry while I was at home. I put on the crosbreed with the sig 226 at 3 o' clock and I have been wearing it for 8 hours without any problems. I have been sitting in front of my computer doing my taxes:mad: for the last 2 hours and did not feel the holster at all. As soon as I sat down in my car to go get lunch the stupid thing again started jabbing me in the love handles. I don't really understand the mechanics but I guess it has to do with the design of car seats (?? bucket) that push the bottom of the grip against the body.

If anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate them.

Thanks
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