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So, a question for those in the know. Say Mr. Douchebag told the cop he would not consent to a search of his vehicle (where he eventually found the reported illegally carried guns), would the officer then have to get a warrant? And if so, on what grounds? And if the officer searched it without said warrant, would the other charges regarding the other guns have to be thrown out?
A warrantless protective frisk of a vehicle's passenger compartment is authorized for weapons immediately accessible by a suspect, based on reasonable suspicion, even if said suspect is outside the vehicle.

They will be dropping all charges. They had zero right to search his car. It is an illegal search and seizure. The fruit of the poisonous tree will get him paid.
This could be true depending on the facts surrounding the case. If they based their search of the vehicle via PC of the long gun and continued their search, incident to his arrest, fruits of the poisonous tree will likely apply. That said, if they arrested for the long gun, then conducted an inventory of his vehicle in preparation for towing it and discovered the firearms, the charges will likely hold.

The officer used a fake probable cause. The fact that a rifle or shotgun was visible is not probable cause of a crime. This police officer illegally turned a civil violation into a criminal violation.
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Real easy here guys. Facebook has a division, called “Facebook Government & Politics” that does all of this archiving automatically. Hands off, no hassle, automatic. This is available to verified government agency accounts, politicians, and certain public sector NGO’s.

Twitter, instagram, etc have their own versions.

My time in uniform was spent as a Public Affairs Officer, so well versed in this.


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I wouldn't have this feature if I owned a social network. I'm not in the business of babysitting government. I'll gladly let them fall flat on their faces and prove their incompetence.
 

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I wouldn't have this feature if I owned a social network. I'm not in the business of babysitting government. I'll gladly let them fall flat on their faces and prove their incompetence.
It’s actually been a great business decision for them. Many departments, especially smaller ones that don’t have dedicated compliance departments, would otherwise say the heck with it and avoid SM.

I may be biased, but I believe SM is a great tool for government and law enforcement organizations.


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From a business perspective, sure. But I'm thinking beyond business. You know, the whole thing of not interrupting the opposition when they're making a mistake. :grin
 

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From a business perspective, sure. But I'm thinking beyond business. You know, the whole thing of not interrupting the opposition when they're making a mistake. :grin
Even with the occasional screwup by LEOs (they’re human, too), I’m sure there are many on here besides me who don’t consider them “the opposition.”
 

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From a business perspective, sure. But I'm thinking beyond business. You know, the whole thing of not interrupting the opposition when they're making a mistake. :grin
I guess I don’t think of them ad the opposition. Sorry you feel that way.


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A warrantless protective frisk of a vehicle's passenger compartment is authorized for weapons immediately accessible by a suspect, based on reasonable suspicion, even if said suspect is outside the vehicle.



This could be true depending on the facts surrounding the case. If they based their search of the vehicle via PC of the long gun and continued their search, incident to his arrest, fruits of the poisonous tree will likely apply. That said, if they arrested for the long gun, then conducted an inventory of his vehicle in preparation for towing it and discovered the firearms, the charges will likely hold.



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The courts have ruled that the mere presence of a gun is not reasonable suspicion of a crime. No matter how you paint it, it is an illegal search and seizure.
 

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If there is ever gun confiscation, they will be the ones taking your guns.
Doubtful. Too many local sheriffs wouldn’t enforce. Any hypothetical confiscation would like be federally enforced by military, or at state level, national guard. I don’t see local cops doing it.


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Doubtful. Too many local sheriffs wouldn’t enforce. Any hypothetical confiscation would like be federally enforced by military, or at state level, national guard. I don’t see local cops doing it.
You do realize that the Sheriff's Association in most states actively lobby in favor of gun control, right? Also, most city cops are anti-gun.
 

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You do realize that the Sheriff's Association in most states actively lobby in favor of gun control, right? Also, most city cops are anti-gun.
Maybe most states. Not this one.

I also don’t believe that about city cops for a second. I grew up around cops, have tons of friend that are cops, interact daily with cops from feds to locals professionally, and there are very few that are anti gun.


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Actually, the Sherrifs Assn has lobbied against open carry in this state every time it comes up
 

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A warrantless protective frisk of a vehicle's passenger compartment is authorized for weapons immediately accessible by a suspect, based on reasonable suspicion, even if said suspect is outside the vehicle.
Will you please cite the statute or case which you're basing this information?


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Maybe most states. Not this one.

I also don’t believe that about city cops for a second. I grew up around cops, have tons of friend that are cops, interact daily with cops from feds to locals professionally, and there are very few that are anti gun.


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That's been my experience with local and state leo's.
 

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A warrantless protective frisk of a vehicle's passenger compartment is authorized for weapons immediately accessible by a suspect, based on reasonable suspicion, even if said suspect is outside the vehicle.
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It is almost as if MAC45 returned from the great beyond, with a faint smell of fluffer about them.....
 

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A far cry from gun grabbing, though.

I’m not a fan of open carry myself.


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Then don't open carry. But as public employees, they should not be allowed to lobby against a Constitutional right. And they are just that, employees
 
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