I agree, for a practice gun, sure..you won't find a Hi-Point in the holster of any armed professional in this country.
Very true. That should give others an indication of the perceived life saving value of a high point for those who go in harms way.
I don't recommend them at the shop except for people who only want to spend $159.00 and get a c9 [ which is what we sell them for as well ], to use at the range as a practice gun.
It may be better than nothing, we sell a boat load of them and don't get very many back that don't work, but if the customer is want for a carry gun to protect him/herself, I ask them
What's your life worth?
Brownie, can you here the crickets chirping? LOL I can!Buckeye Charly,
I find it interesting that I took you up on your challenge about "I will put my HP's up for money with any other gun." and you re-posted and totally ignored my taking you up on your challenge. Care to comment about why you ignored my taking you up on that challenge of yours?
After reading the above comments I checked with several NRA C.I's and to a man, all said that any instructor who is that ignorant of firearms should have his ticket pulled.
I posted two instances of High Points that puked while I was training their owners within a short period of time [ 300 rds or less ]. What I didn't post was that we've had two High Points back in the shop with cracked slides at the ejection ports that were sent back with less than 1000 rds through them.
They are a very well constructed gun of space-age materials
Space age materials?
The slide is die cast from a zinc-family alloy that includes aluminum, magnesium, and copper and is called zamak-3, rather than machined from forged steel.
You consider zinc, aluminum, magnesium and copper space age materials?
Check out the Hi-Point owners forums and you will find owners with tens of thousands of rounds shot without a single malfunction.
You believe everything you read on the internet, particularly a nitch forum like that?
If anyone hears an Instructor put down any brand, they need to walk out and find someone who is qualified to teach all the aspects of guns. These guys are called "gun snobs"
If an instructor puts down a certain brand of gun, it may be because he has seen problems with a particular model in his classes, and in no way suggests that they are gun snobs. They'd actually have an educated opinion based on experience with their students weapons on the line in their courses. I know of no instructor who wantonly dismisses any particular firearm without some basis in facts.
And I defy anyone with any brand to do better in offhand shooting than my two do: 1-1/4 to 2" groups at defensive target ranges
As I mentioned in my previous post----All day long with several of my own "snob" guns including HK, Glocks, and Walthers verified by students in their after action reviews by the way, not just someone coming on a forum and stating such. BTW--what range do you consider defensive target ranges?
Here's a little ditty from a student in Tenn who wrote in this regard about what I can do with a glock at 30 feet---------
"Brownie may be able to chew a ragged 2 inch hole out of a target with 2 handed QK at 30 feet" That's 10 yards, probably more than double your defensive target range.
That's without sights using a threat focused skill I teach others across the country. Imagine what I can do with sights on the gun huh? There's nothing special about being able to shoot 1-2" groups at defensive ranges with about any handgun, so I find it rather amusing you would write in such a manner as to make it appear the High Point has anything over another makers product.
Check out the pros who test for magazines
This alone suggests you are less informed about "Pros" than you'd think. Gun writers very rarely write the truth about any firearm they test as the bosses take money from the makers for advertising and those monies support their business. Bad press from a gun writer on some gun will quickly produce a loss of revenue from that maker in that magazine. This has been so well known for decades among the informed that your statement would suggest you aren't as knowledgeable as you think in this regard as well.
Also, gun shops - I have 9 stores within 25 miles that carry and rave about HP's.
I also work at a gun shop that sells High Points here in Az. We sell a lot of those guns, and see few come back, relatively speaking, for the volume in that particular make of pistol. That however does not indicate they don't see returns for warranty work or breakage either.
One last time for everyone here who may be reading this thread. You made a challenge, I accepted that challenge, you came back and ignored my accepting your challenge while posting about how great the High Point is and how those who have different experiences with them and consequently educated opinions of that brand of firearm were snobs and that you "checked with several NRA C.I's and to a man, all said that any instructor who is that ignorant of firearms should have his ticket pulled".
I don't put much stock in their opinions personally, you however, are welcome to listen to anyone you'd like. I see which guns puke in my classes more than others, and we'll regularly run 1500-2000 rds or more over two days. That sir, is an educated opinion based on first hand knowledge and experience, not taken from a nitch forum where everyone is there to praise one product and by it's very nature would not be subject to objective and random viewpoints from the larger shooting public in general.
Once again, as you seemed to ignore the part about the LE and Mil community statements I made in the previous post as well------- 20 years of High Points being available, and not one instance of a police dept or military contract being awarded to that company due to the procurement cost, reliability or durability of that companies products. There's a reason for that, one you apparently do not want to address here point by point.
So don't ignore my acceptance of your previous challenge. Bring the High Points out and play. I'd enjoy taking the trip to Florida and shooting a ton of ammo for free anytime you'd like. After all, based on your position of the quality of your High Points, you'd be walking away with free ammo, and some coin in your pocket by my snob gun puking before your zinc alloyed zamak-3 gun did.
To reiterate------I'm very glad you like your High Points and find them adequate for your needs. Others will choose something quite different, made of better materials, forged and not die cast like some kids toys, which have a reputation on the streets with police officers and military units who've done more testing than any one group of people are capable of on various makers products and who've never chosen your gun of choice.
Looking forward to your response, and making the necessary flight arrangements to Florida for this challenge of yours. Put your money and High Point up against my "snob" gun [ I'll use my first gen glock 17 I've had since 88 that's got over 97,000 rds through it and runs over 6K between cleanings regularly ]. Your challenge that "I will put my HP's up for money with any other gun." has been met. Now prove your statements to the members here by honoring the accepted challenge.
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