Here we go again Sig P320

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CZ Man

Discussion Starter · 19 d ago

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One of America’s most popular handguns is allegedly firing on its own, leaving dozens of cops injured: suit

According to the suits against SIG Sauer, some 150 people claim to have suffered injuries, or frightening near misses when their department-issued P320 went off on its own.

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brownie

· #2 · 19 d ago

Known as a tab trigger, it's missing on the Sig. The guns sent to the Army for trials discovered it was a dangerous design flaw and mandated a manual safety be put on those guns if they were going to purchase them.

Why does one think the military wouldn't accept the design as brought to market? They believed the gun was flawed and potentially dangerous without a manual safety. Sig very quietly designed a manual safety into the gun so they could get the contract, BUT

Sig kept producing them with what the military recognized as a flaw in the design for civilian purchases.

Ya, no thanks Sig, you had to redesign the gun for the military, and left civilians exposed to the dangers the military discovered in that pistol.

If there's 150 claims, maybe 20 are NOT ND's. Then again maybe 70 aren't ND's as well. When video shows an officer whose hands are nowhere near the holster on multiple occasions when the gun discharges after being in a duty for some time,it's obviously not an ND.

I won't worry too much about mine going off on it's own in one of my holsters, that gun will never make it into my possession, let alone be placed in a holster for carry. All you folks that own and carry one, carry on. 😎

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BeerHunter

· #3 · 19 d ago

I may be all wet here, but without any attempt on my part to justify Sig Sauer's P320 design, I do believe (but have no actual proof) that the Military's insistence on the addition of a manual trigger for the M18 was, at least in part, due to military SOP(s) for soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines defaulted to carrying semi-auto pistols with the camber empty and hammer-down or striker un-cocked.

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brownie

· #4 · 18 d ago

BeerHunter said:
I may be all wet here, but without any attempt on my part to justify Sig Sauer's P320 design, I do believe (but have no actual proof) that the Military's insistence on the addition of a manual trigger for the M18 was, at least in part, due to military SOP(s) for soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines defaulted to carrying semi-auto pistols with the camber empty and hammer-down or striker un-cocked.

Yes, there are a few possibilities in this regard.

The military usually calls for trials for a new weapon by issuing it's mandatory design parameters for submission.

1. The military didn't require a safety on a new striker fired pistol in it's design [ unlikely imo ]
2. Sig ignored the necessary design features and submitted a pistol without one
3. The military just assumed any striker fired gun submitted would automatically have a tab trigger [ very likely ]

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7.62Kolectr

· #5 · 18 d ago

SOMETHING is pulling the trigger. There is not one single instance of a P320 going off when it was on a table, in a safe or not around a HUMAN. Trigger might be light and the holsters being used could be causing it. No doubt they are going off unexpectedly. And that no matter what is unacceptable.

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Nighttrain

· #6 · 18 d ago

I thought that the problem was taken care of ?

Ronnie948

· #7 · 18 d ago

Just A Question.
Is this just happening to Police People.????????
Ronnie

mike1956

· #8 · 18 d ago

Ronnie948 said:
Just A Question.
Is this just happening to Police People.????????
Ronnie

They are probably the only ones carrying them at this point.

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OHEng

· #9 · 18 d ago

7.62Kolectr said:
SOMETHING is pulling the trigger. There is not one single instance of a P320 going off when it was on a table, in a safe or not around a HUMAN. Trigger might be light and the holsters being used could be causing it. No doubt they are going off unexpectedly. And that no matter what is unacceptable.

It might just be that the ones which have gone off have been in motion whereas the ones on a table or in a safe are stationary with no dynamic forces acting on them.

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brownie

· #10 · 18 d ago

OHEng said:
It might just be that the ones which have gone off have been in motion whereas the ones on a table or in a safe are stationary with no dynamic forces acting on them.

If a pistol isn't safe to carry in certain duty holsters [ assuming it's a holster problem that's contributing to the issue with leo's sigs ] someone would have connected the dots by now imo.

What's touching the gun when it's holstered? Just the holster itself. If I holster a firearm without it discharging at the time of that action because something was obstructing the path to holstered [ piece of clothing, key ring, my finger on the trigger etc which is an ND ] and minutes or hours later the gun discharges in the holster, if there's proof some leo's aren't touching the holstered gun through video and the gun is discharging in the holster at some later time line

I'M NOT CARRYING THAT FIREARM. PERIOD. I deem the pistol a danger to my health.

OHEng, you're right, all the vids I've seen of the gun firing in the holster involved normal human activity [ walking, alighting from a cruiser ].

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OHEng

· #11 · 18 d ago

I wouldn't own one given all the controversy about it, much less carry one. There are too many other good choices out there where you don't have the headache of wondering if you're sitting on a powder keg or not. I've heard many express concern about shooting themselves with one of these, but honestly my biggest concern with a firearm that "might" go off all on its own would be that I might inadvertently hurt some innocent person, maybe a kid who just happens to be nearby.

Don't need that shiite. I'll stick with something not immersed in controversy.

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Wsr

· #12 · 18 d ago

BeerHunter said:
I may be all wet here, but without any attempt on my part to justify Sig Sauer's P320 design, I do believe (but have no actual proof) that the Military's insistence on the addition of a manual trigger for the M18 was, at least in part, due to military SOP(s) for soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines defaulted to carrying semi-auto pistols with the camber empty and hammer-down or striker un-cocked.

correct, the manual safety was a requirement in the RFP from the beginning, it wasn’t added later because of issues found by the ARMY

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brownie

· #13 · 18 d ago

Wsr said:
correct, the manual safety was a requirement in the RFP from the beginning, it wasn’t added later because of issues found by the ARMY

If that's true, then Sig submitted a firearm that didn't meet their stated requirements.

WTF is up with that? And how did that gun get selected when it wasn't submitted with the outlined requirements?

I smell something in the wood pile, it's not lavender

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Wsr

· #14 · 18 d ago

brownie said:
If that's true, then Sig submitted a firearm that didn't meet their stated requirements.

WTF is up with that? And how did that gun get selected when it wasn't submitted with the outlined requirements?

I smell something in the wood pile, it's not lavender

the 320 they submitted had the manual safety, they designed it specifically for the trials

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frgood

· #15 · 18 d ago

Maybe they would have better luck with the P250. [/end of wise ass comment today]

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krimgeo

· #16 · 17 d ago

I have handled and shot quite a few of my customers 320’s…I’m still alive. Smells of Glock leg to me.

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brownie

· #17 · 17 d ago

krimgeo said:
I have handled and shot quite a few of my customers 320’s…I’m still alive. Smells of Glock leg to me.

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It may smell that way to you, but if you watch a few of the vids of that pistol going off while having been secured in holsters it's not close to whats become known as glock leg.

Handling and shooting them tells me nothing, the issue is the gun going off in duty holsters.

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DGOrlando

· #18 · 17 d ago

This guy had one go off in his holster at a match. According to him there were witnesses:

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OHEng

· #19 · 17 d ago

SIG checked it and found a defective firing pin return spring. Obviously not operator error/holster snag/obstruction, it was the gun itself firing because of a confirmed (by SIG) defect.

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brownie

· #20 · 16 d ago

OHEng said:
SIG checked it and found a defective firing pin return spring. Obviously not operator error/holster snag/obstruction, it was the gun itself firing because of a confirmed (by SIG) defect.

A defective 320? Where's that shocked face emoji? 😯

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