I got invited to go to a show at the Hard Rock Cafe in Ft. Lauderdale. I've never been there before but heard that there are different place inside the complex, bars, clubs etc. It should be ok for me to carry there as long as I don't go into a bar. But to be sure, can I carry there?
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Yep just dont walk along side the bar and always nice to get a table to the rear.
Thanks, this is what I needed to know.
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I am not sure about the Hard Rock in Ft. Lauderdale, The one in Tampa is a gambling casino, so based on Florida law, it is unlawfull to carry in a casino? So no matter what you could not carry there at all???
Anyone help me make sure this is correct? I dont want to mispeak myself?
Anyone help me make sure this is correct? I dont want to mispeak myself?
I'm pulling this stuff off the state website. The closest thing I can see is the place of nuisance clause which restricts one from carrying a weapon into a facility that has gambling in violation of the law (illegal gambling).
It looks like Hard Rock is a legal place to carry.
(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
823.05 Places declared a nuisance; may be abated and enjoined.--Whoever shall erect, establish, continue, or maintain, own or lease any building, booth, tent or place which tends to annoy the community or injure the health of the community, or become manifestly injurious to the morals or manners of the people as described in s. 823.01, or shall be frequented by the class of persons mentioned in 1s. 856.02, or any house or place of prostitution, assignation, lewdness or place or building where games of chance are engaged in violation of law or any place where any law of the state is violated, shall be deemed guilty of maintaining a nuisance, and the building, erection, place, tent or booth and the furniture, fixtures and contents are declared a nuisance. All such places or persons shall be abated or enjoined as provided in ss. 60.05 and 60.06.
It looks like Hard Rock is a legal place to carry.
(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
823.05 Places declared a nuisance; may be abated and enjoined.--Whoever shall erect, establish, continue, or maintain, own or lease any building, booth, tent or place which tends to annoy the community or injure the health of the community, or become manifestly injurious to the morals or manners of the people as described in s. 823.01, or shall be frequented by the class of persons mentioned in 1s. 856.02, or any house or place of prostitution, assignation, lewdness or place or building where games of chance are engaged in violation of law or any place where any law of the state is violated, shall be deemed guilty of maintaining a nuisance, and the building, erection, place, tent or booth and the furniture, fixtures and contents are declared a nuisance. All such places or persons shall be abated or enjoined as provided in ss. 60.05 and 60.06.
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Now this is what I like about Floridas concealed carry law. There are not many places where you can't carry. We don't have to worry about no guns allowed signs and such things. We have a few places which are off limits and rest we don't worry about.
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Hmm, I may need to go back over the places of Nuisance clause again with a finer tooth comb, I read it to be a place where games of chance were being played ie a Casino. I see that it does read engaged in violation of law, which I would take to mean places where illegal gambling was taking place.
So having re-read that again, does that mean adult novelty stores that show movies, are allowed? what about a strip club that DOES NOT ENGAGE in selling alcohol? Some places do and some do not sell booze. Technicaly its not a house of prositution, and because they are not violating the laws.....
Now I am confused again.... Dam lawyers, only they can make sense of this mumbo jumbo....
So having re-read that again, does that mean adult novelty stores that show movies, are allowed? what about a strip club that DOES NOT ENGAGE in selling alcohol? Some places do and some do not sell booze. Technicaly its not a house of prositution, and because they are not violating the laws.....
Now I am confused again.... Dam lawyers, only they can make sense of this mumbo jumbo....
If it isn't on the list, it is legal. You can go to a strip club that sells alcohol providing you do not go to that portion of the establishment which is primarily devoted to such purpose. I guess that back rooms are okay, technically. I guess you could argue that the seats by the stage are also okay. The back rooms are primarily devoted to private dances while the seats at the bar are primarily devoted to watching the girls dance.
I wouldn't try it myself. I think any judge with common sense would throw that defense out.
The novelty stores? Knock yourself out. Perfectly legal, I think.
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I don't think you could get away with packing in a strip club that serves alcohol enless they derive a greater portion of their income from food sales than from alcohol sales...which is pretty unlikely, IMO.
I think that portion of the law deals primarily with restaurants that serve alcohol and have a separate bar area (e.g., Applebee's, Outback, etc.)...you can sit in the restaurant section with you concealed weapon (without drinking, of course), but not in the bar area.
I think that portion of the law deals primarily with restaurants that serve alcohol and have a separate bar area (e.g., Applebee's, Outback, etc.)...you can sit in the restaurant section with you concealed weapon (without drinking, of course), but not in the bar area.
Florida law doesn't go into the percentages of income from alcohol vs food.
You are right in that the law was intended to allow somebody to eat in an Appleby's or a Friday's or just about any restaurant.
The way the law is written allows more than they planned on, I think. A judge who goes by the intention of the law could find you guilty. I wouldn't want to be the test case.
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Don't get distracted by the 'place of nuisance' stuff. That does not apply to legitimate businesses.
I trained a team of dogs for a man that owned several strip clubs here (no booze sold). I always carried when I had to meet with him to talk about the terms of the contract or how the dogs were doing. Walked right past the LEOs that moonlighted as security. They all knew I carried...nothing wrong with it at all, it's just another business.
I wouldn't carry in a strip club that sold alcohol. Their primary business is selling booze, which to me means the entire premises is a "portion of the establishment primarily devoted to such purpose". To me, it's a bar that has chicks on stage.
The statute was written to mean restaurants with a bar area (as mentioned above)...any other place that sells alcohol, I wouldn't carry (which means I won't go). Ya'll want to stretch that to mean something else, to suit your needs, have at it. YMMV, IANAL, Lather, rinse, repeat.:drinks
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You CANNOT legally carry a concealed weapon or firearm anywhere on Indian reservations. The Hard Rock complex in Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale (and Tampa), are sovereign territory. The Seminole Police department will typically escort you off the property if it is discovered that you are carrying a concealed firearm, though you can be arrested and charged with violating Federal law. It is a violation of Federal Law to carry a weapon on any Indian Reservation, and Florida statutes clearly state that Federal firearms laws relating to concealed carry must be adhered to.
You CANNOT legally carry a concealed weapon or firearm anywhere on Indian reservations. The Hard Rock complex in Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale (and Tampa), are sovereign territory. The Seminole Police department will typically escort you off the property if it is discovered that you are carrying a concealed firearm, though you can be arrested and charged with violating Federal law. It is a violation of Federal Law to carry a weapon on any Indian Reservation, and Florida statutes clearly state that Federal firearms laws relating to concealed carry must be adhered to.
where can you find the federal laws about carrying? I can't seem to find anything but state specific laws
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