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It's 9mm day (9/19) - Now 120 years old, the advancements to the cartridge while still staying true to the spec have been astounding, like with these G9 Defense 9mm External Hollow Point projectiles, with casings by ShellShock. Georg would be proud.

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I bet those would tear up some flesh.


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When this ammo has a few years of street records of successful stops, I still wouldn't consider it. Instead relying on proven rounds from street results, not ballistic gel testing.

It'll be a LONG time before any police dept starts carrying this type of load in the duty weapons. Boutique ammo that's constantly being developed for those uneducated souls who are foolish enough to rely on an unproven street performer are so numerous, this type of hyped ammo sells unfortunately.
 

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When this ammo has a few years of street records of successful stops, I still wouldn't consider it. Instead relying on proven rounds from street results, not ballistic gel testing.

It'll be a LONG time before any police dept starts carrying this type of load in the duty weapons. Boutique ammo that's constantly being developed for those uneducated souls who are foolish enough to rely on an unproven street performer are so numerous, this type of hyped ammo sells unfortunately.
Precisely why I for as long as I've been carrying, I've only carried what law enforcement has accepted and street proven ammunition for SD; a mindset reinforced by some snake-oil salesman I met some time ago! ;)
 
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I agree. As far as I鈥檓 concerned there is only HST, ranger, gold dot and I sometimes use Corbon all copper hollow points because I believe they鈥檝e been sufficiently proven.
 

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When this ammo has a few years of street records of successful stops, I still wouldn't consider it. Instead relying on proven rounds from street results, not ballistic gel testing.

It'll be a LONG time before any police dept starts carrying this type of load in the duty weapons. Boutique ammo that's constantly being developed for those uneducated souls who are foolish enough to rely on an unproven street performer are so numerous, this type of hyped ammo sells unfortunately.
I don't carry G9 ammo because of what you say. I have some for review purposes, and also it does represent the fact that people are trying to improve on existing concepts.

All things being equal, it's pretty amazing that people are still working off of a spec that's over a century old.
 

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I don't carry G9 ammo because of what you say. I have some for review purposes, and also it does represent the fact that people are trying to improve on existing concepts.

All things being equal, it's pretty amazing that people are still working off of a spec that's over a century old.
well...gunpowder has been around a while also...
 

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Precisely why I for as long as I've been carrying, I've only carried what law enforcement has accepted and street proven ammunition for SD; a mindset reinforced by some snake-oil salesman I met some time ago! ;)
Not to mention, that boutique ammo may not feed correctly in my Glocks.
..... and then I'd have to do an about-face on that whole Glock "Perfection" thing. :)

Then there's also the potential argument in a self-defense case that your ammo was "overly-deadly".
You probably have enough on your plate. Why invite the challenge?
I'll stick to types of ammo (and weapons) used by the police.
 

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All things being equal, it's pretty amazing that people are still working off of a spec that's over a century old.
That is because when you really examine firearm calibers, everything is derived from something that came before it.

The biggest advancements in firearms over the last 50 years has been in material science: lighter alloys or polymer frames for the guns,, and improved propellants for the projectiles.
 

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From my exalted position as a vastly experienced methane and carbon dioxide production specialist I have learned many things, most long gone from my memory because 90% of everything is <deleted IAW suitability for a family audience>
What sticks in my mind are the sacred words of a Drill Sergeant in legendary Tigerland!! North Fort Polk, LA in 1972: "If it don't hit, the bullet don't do <deleted IAW suitability for a family audience>

I find myself agreeing more and more with the folks that opine "Any handgun round .35 inches or more delivered to center of mass will either stop the attack, or you shoot again, until the attack stops."

As age and arthritis take their toll on my hand strength and ability to lug around big guns, I have moved from concealed carry (where legal) of a S&W Model 38 (That is the model with a shrouded hammer, famous in song and story, see the Matt Helm series by the late great Donald Hamilton) to a mid-sized single stack 9mm Kahr P9 and I confess I just bought a SWaMPy 380 EZ, which is currently giving me the classic finger jam.

I have a S&W Model 638, same design as the Model 38 which my wife annexed because it has the best DA trigger pull I've ever experienced. In the small 9mm's I carry Hornady Critical Defense LOW RECOIL ammunition and the same ammo in the .38 Special in our revolvers. In the larger 9mm double column guns; Glock 19 Gen 5, S&W SW9VE and SWaMPy 9c with the 17 round magazine and grip adapter I carry WWB 115 gr HP rounds.

If I ever run into a target which insists on only being stopped by the FBI recommended 125 gr .357 Magnum hollow point single shot ultimate stoppers, I'll just shoot a couple more and see what happens.

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Skeptic;
"If it don't hit, the bullet don't do <deleted IAW suitability for a family audience>."
Please Sir,inquiring minds need to know what IS that word?????? :D :LOL: :ROFLMAO: (y)
 

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Skeptic;
"If it don't hit, the bullet don't do <deleted IAW suitability for a family audience>."
Please Sir,inquiring minds need to know what IS that word?????? :D :LOL: :ROFLMAO: (y)
Poor Fish, never enjoyed the attentions of a Drill Sergeant and the colorful language employed.
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Who is having a reaction to anti-biotics causing overproduction of the product referenced above.
 

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Poor Fish, never enjoyed the attentions of a Drill Sergeant and the colorful language employed.
Geoff
Who is having a reaction to anti-biotics causing overproduction of the product referenced above.
My Drill Sgt. was not a Marine but any words I had not learned in NYC,He taught me.
 
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