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As you may know I have been posting about bullets to fit my .45 competition military pistol. I took the advice from a few members and then mulled it over about trying to use my 235 gr Omega Stellar Bullets wicked jagged cut noses Copper heads .

After contemplating doing or having done a throating / ramp job , I listened to Rick to not touch those areas at all . The reason being it is a well balanced and fine working gun with 230 gr round nosed FMJ's . They feed perfectly but i was still trying my best to get my J. H.P's to work in the gun . I love the gun , it's great in hand and just wanted to be able to load up these home defense bullets .

Now comes the good part , even with my bad toe I started to try and figure out why this was not working on many older military 1911's as i had read on the internet . I wanted it to work period and i wouldn't let it go . I lived this day and mostly nights to possibly reason why the hell a lot of shooters had the identical dilemma .

I should guess up to tonight I had invested about 30 hrs easily trying to reason what I could do to make this work for me . I wasn't about to destroy this gun by any means and like Rick said " We can try to reason this thing out " . I tried exactly that and didn't want to bother him for a few reasons .

I had loaded up about [ 40 ] inert rounds with [ 2 ] different head styles . Both identical in gr. weight and fairly close Ogives . The FMJ's worked fine , as they have always functioned great . Now to get the damn J.H.P. 's to fit and function perfectly . I checked everything 5-10-20 x's over and over .

The tolerances are very close as you can imagine on this .45 . I read about how to adapt to different barrels as they may not be exactly the same spec's etc; The J.H.P.'s were finally starting to enter , but when i used the old 'Drop in test' , they would stick just a bit . I was scratching my head over and over , why is this happening with identical set ups on my reloading etc .

Then I remembered the same type thing had happened to me many years ago , just not this particular gun or caliber . The light bulb came on and it was the only thing i hadn't tried as yet . BINGO ! To allow these test rounds to drop in by hand and then have them drop right out was my big problem , they would't . Now I had my answer finally & then guessed I could employ the same thing that i had done perviously .

I had to have a 'Small Base' sizing die , and a RCBS had worked for this problem . So as i had Nothing to use in Any make , I then took out the Shell Holder # 2 and took it down thinner slowly and rechecked . I'm guessing I thinned it down about 1/32 or so . Now my Sizing die naturally came down lower to the case bottom and thinned out that very slight bulge there .

So I went through the exact sequence on the reloaded set up , and tried this newly changed brass case . I kind of Prayed it would work like it had many moons ago P E R F E C T !!!!! I dropped it in by hand , then put the gun back together and fully actuated the slide as firing simulation . It now fit and ejected across my bed !

No one can tell me that many of these older .45 acp 1911' can not fit and fully function 235 Gr JHP's without tearing the whole gun down and possibly ruining it ! THANKYOU MR . RICK . Now I Have A Home Defense Hefty Beautifully Functioning Gun (y)(y)(y)

P.S. - Even at my detriment, I don't give up If I Think I can Reason Things Out 馃挜馃挜馃敨
I wanted to share this with everyone, now it's Time for My Toe / Back Pain Pills :rolleyes:;)(y)
 

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Excellent dissertation. Until recently, I was unaware that die sizes varied enough to cause significant result differences. It just goes to show that taking time to think and research makes the difference.
 
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Glad it appears you've figured out how to make JHPs work in your gun that wouldn't before, Gunner. Hope you get to fire enough of those rounds through your gun to prove to yourself that it will feed reliably every. single. time. (like several hundred rounds), before you need to depend upon that combination of firearm and ammunition if/when needed. :unsure:
 
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I have been using a Lee Bulge Buster to achieve the same thing. I have a slightly tight 1911 chamber, and sometimes range pick up bass, probably fired in a loose chamber, will not pass the plunk test.
 

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I have been using a Lee Bulge Buster to achieve the same thing. I have a slightly tight 1911 chamber, and sometimes range pick up bass, probably fired in a loose chamber, will not pass the plunk test.
Thanks for your posting & I just learned another thing from you ! I had never heard of this before .

* Updated - I just checked this out online and it stated that 9mm will not work with this , due to case taper and rim areas .

I load a lot of 9's & would have liked this option. No biggie mine is just a lot quicker for my needs , but I thank you for your time to post this (y) (y)
 

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Glad it appears you've figured out how to make JHPs work in your gun that wouldn't before, Gunner. Hope you get to fire enough of those rounds through your gun to prove to yourself that it will feed reliably every. single. time. (like several hundred rounds), before you need to depend upon that combination of firearm and ammunition if/when needed. :unsure:
Thanks , as I have done this before , I have our extra lot adjoining our home .. Every once in a while I will use my 'pit' to try out rounds . Halloween is coming soon !

I have no doubt that when I load up a full mag , it will be proof enough to me with rapid fire for full functioning . This , as they're all loaded identical in all aspects and Triple checked throughout loading . Besides I always have my SMG' S/A 35 rd mags ;)(y)
 

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Great work Charlie1

Back in the 70鈥檚/80鈥檚; it was often necessary to get a small base shell holder when reloading rifle rounds that were going to be used in semi-auto rifles.
Thank You and Agreed , as I did the same thing at one time back when (y)(y)(y)
 
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Thanks for your posting & I just learned another thing from you ! I had never heard of this before .

* Updated - I just checked this out online and it stated that 9mm will not work with this , due to case taper and rim areas .

I load a lot of 9's & would have liked this option. No biggie mine is just a lot quicker for my needs , but I thank you for your time to post this (y) (y)
Gunner, if you look at the SAAMI dimensions of 9mm Luger and 9mm Makarov, you will see that they only differ by 0.002鈥 at the case head.

Cartridge & Chamber Drawings 鈥 SAAMI

Pages 27-28

So, what Lee used to tell you to do (and many of us still do when we have problems) is to run the 9mm Luger brass through the 9mm Makarov Factory Crimp Die with the Bulge Buster kit. I did some last week on my Lee APP press; helps if you give a quick spray with a case lube. I use Hornady One Shot case lube.
 

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Gunner, if you look at the SAAMI dimensions of 9mm Luger and 9mm Makarov, you will see that they only differ by 0.002鈥 at the case head.

Cartridge & Chamber Drawings 鈥 SAAMI

Pages 27-28

So, what Lee used to tell you to do (and many of us still do when we have problems) is to run the 9mm Luger brass through the 9mm Makarov Factory Crimp Die with the Bulge Buster kit. I did some last week on my Lee APP press; helps if you give a quick spray with a case lube. I use Hornady One Shot case lube.
Sir , I am Not Debating what you have posted at all , I am Just Reiterating what it said on Amazon about the Bulge Buster Kit , it's specific collets & many included that i will never use for my purposes .

Noting the 9mm case as an Exception to Potential buyers . Lee said nothing at all about introducing any Makarov FCD relating to this kit .

Honestly it's just easier for me to load my 9mm Lugers / Makarovs with the Taper Crimp dies & the results are fine for my .45 acp Competition National Match Barrel etc . I employ the 'Kiss' method for my personal needs
 
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