I am not 100% sure, but it probably has something to due with insurance regulations. The sign " No Loaded Firearms or Holstered weapons allowed past this point" We have many gun shops like that in S Florida that have ranges also.
Gun Shops NO LOAD Guns NO CCW?
I have trouble understanding how a Gun Shop can sell guns offer a CWL Class have a shooting Range and have a Big Sign on the Door No Concealed carry,No Loaded guns, No loaded magazines,
I know we can ignore the sign and just go in and go about our bussiness But these are the very same people who want our bussiness, teach you a class for your license and teach people to shoot. And push to support 2nd Amendment Rights?
Can anyone please shed some light on this cause it seems kinda hypocritical to me.
I know we can ignore the sign and just go in and go about our bussiness But these are the very same people who want our bussiness, teach you a class for your license and teach people to shoot. And push to support 2nd Amendment Rights?
Can anyone please shed some light on this cause it seems kinda hypocritical to me.
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I have wondered the same thing.
This has been an inconvenience for me especially when I ride to the gun store to buy something. I have to unload my gun and put it in my pocket before I go in. I could ignore the sigh but I don't want to push it. I think Gator Guns on Military Trail in WPB allows concealed carry in their store.
A tale of two gun shops, Jay's in Pensacola and Shoot Straight in Apopka:
At Jay's Guns & Accessories the folks behind the counter are armed all the time. The shop does not prohibit customers from carrying. At Shoot Straight in Apopka (and their other stores I assume though I've never been in any but the Apopka store) there is a sign, placed ABOVE eye level, oddly, that proclaims NO LOADED FIREARMS or some such. If they find you with a loaded gun you are escorted off the premises post haste; I've seen it happen.
Off topic, perhaps, but speaking of Shoot Straight in Apopka, they have an indoor rifle and handgun range, too. When there recently, over Thanksgiving weekend, three middle eastern looking guys in their early twenties were attempting to rent handguns. Only one of their number could speak English and then only barely.
They made quite the fuss about wanting to get their hands on some pistols and were not happy when Gunny, who is apparently in charge of the store overall, told them to, basically, SCREW! Had they rented firearms to these guys I would NOT have gone on the range or even stayed in the store while they were there. Hey, someone had to be OUTSIDE ready to stop them as they attempted to flee! :laughing
Seriously, though, while I don't support banning weapons inside a store that SELLS same I am glad Shoot Straight did the 'right thing' in the above situation. I hope ALL such establishments would act as Gunny did that morning and send obvious non-citizens 'that-a-way' under similar circumstances. It's sad but true that, today, we all need to not be PC but SA, situationally aware!
Have a day. Bang Gunley
At Jay's Guns & Accessories the folks behind the counter are armed all the time. The shop does not prohibit customers from carrying. At Shoot Straight in Apopka (and their other stores I assume though I've never been in any but the Apopka store) there is a sign, placed ABOVE eye level, oddly, that proclaims NO LOADED FIREARMS or some such. If they find you with a loaded gun you are escorted off the premises post haste; I've seen it happen.
Off topic, perhaps, but speaking of Shoot Straight in Apopka, they have an indoor rifle and handgun range, too. When there recently, over Thanksgiving weekend, three middle eastern looking guys in their early twenties were attempting to rent handguns. Only one of their number could speak English and then only barely.
They made quite the fuss about wanting to get their hands on some pistols and were not happy when Gunny, who is apparently in charge of the store overall, told them to, basically, SCREW! Had they rented firearms to these guys I would NOT have gone on the range or even stayed in the store while they were there. Hey, someone had to be OUTSIDE ready to stop them as they attempted to flee! :laughing
Seriously, though, while I don't support banning weapons inside a store that SELLS same I am glad Shoot Straight did the 'right thing' in the above situation. I hope ALL such establishments would act as Gunny did that morning and send obvious non-citizens 'that-a-way' under similar circumstances. It's sad but true that, today, we all need to not be PC but SA, situationally aware!
Have a day. Bang Gunley
As does Bass Pro Shops.This has been an inconvenience for me especially when I ride to the gun store to buy something. I have to unload my gun and put it in my pocket before I go in. I could ignore the sigh but I don't want to push it. I think Gator Guns on Military Trail in WPB allows concealed carry in their store.
I had some co-workers come to Florida a few months back from the UK and Hong Kong. The one from the UK was a US citizen. The one from HK is a Chinese citizen. I tried to take them shooting and was told my Chinese coworker couldn't shoot because he didn't hold a US or Florida ID.I hope ALL such establishments would act as Gunny did that morning and send obvious non-citizens 'that-a-way' under similar circumstances.
Have a day. Bang Gunley
Anybody know if that it is the law?
If you ignore the sign, that says no concealed carry. Then your braking the law according to the state of Florida.I have trouble understanding how a Gun Shop can sell guns offer a CWL Class have a shooting Range and have a Big Sign on the Door No Concealed carry,No Loaded guns, No loaded magazines,
I know we can ignore the sign and just go in and go about our bussiness But ...
The gun shop / range has every right to post this sign wether you agree or not. (Think of how many unsafe morons come into the store every day. the last thing they want is a customer or store clerk shot or killed because some looser thought it was okay to point the muzzle in and unsafe direction and pull the trigger.)
Just because people have a CWL does not mean they know how to handle a firearm.
I have trouble understanding how a Gun Shop can sell guns offer a CWL Class have a shooting Range and have a Big Sign on the Door No Concealed carry,No Loaded guns, No loaded magazines,
Other than the loaded mags, we have the same policy at the shop I work at a few days a week.
Our shop sees people take guns out of the holsters to trade or sell at the counter. They also bring them in in cases of some sort which are loaded many times.
I get painted with firearms all the time by 1 D 10 T's when placing them on the counter, taking them out of cases. I've had shotguns muzzle at me on a few occasions, one was loaded included the chamber, safety off just a few months ago.
If you want to sell your gun, trade your gun, it has to come out of that holster to be viewed. You may be holstering a hot weapon and muzzle customers, yourself or myself in doing so.
We don't know who you are, what your experience is with firearms, what your intentions are when you walk through the door. We don't know you if you'll have an ND while taking the gun out of the case or holster when you want to put it on the counter to sell or trade it.
No one can guarantee the person who has a CCW permit knows how to properly operate the firearm they are carrying, or will adhere to the safety rules which keep others safe.
Unloading guns in the shop would, of course, lead to possibilities of ND's over time, and in fact it's happened at the shop three times in the last 3 years with nothing more than a round getting through the wall and into the next business owners shop [ a watch repair business ]. No one was injured in any of the three instances I'm aware of in three years, but the possibilities are endless.
It's easier to put up the "no loaded firearms" sign to keep everyone safe from that person who is a 1 D 10 T who will eventually demonstrate his prowess handling firearms is dangerous to others. We have an obligation to the customers and ourselves behind the counter to attempt to prevent these inevitable possibilities.
I'm painted with muzzles almost weekly, imagine if every one of those instances were with a loaded firearm instead of the few who couldn't read the sign.
Brownie
Other than the loaded mags, we have the same policy at the shop I work at a few days a week.
Our shop sees people take guns out of the holsters to trade or sell at the counter. They also bring them in in cases of some sort which are loaded many times.
I get painted with firearms all the time by 1 D 10 T's when placing them on the counter, taking them out of cases. I've had shotguns muzzle at me on a few occasions, one was loaded included the chamber, safety off just a few months ago.
If you want to sell your gun, trade your gun, it has to come out of that holster to be viewed. You may be holstering a hot weapon and muzzle customers, yourself or myself in doing so.
We don't know who you are, what your experience is with firearms, what your intentions are when you walk through the door. We don't know you if you'll have an ND while taking the gun out of the case or holster when you want to put it on the counter to sell or trade it.
No one can guarantee the person who has a CCW permit knows how to properly operate the firearm they are carrying, or will adhere to the safety rules which keep others safe.
Unloading guns in the shop would, of course, lead to possibilities of ND's over time, and in fact it's happened at the shop three times in the last 3 years with nothing more than a round getting through the wall and into the next business owners shop [ a watch repair business ]. No one was injured in any of the three instances I'm aware of in three years, but the possibilities are endless.
It's easier to put up the "no loaded firearms" sign to keep everyone safe from that person who is a 1 D 10 T who will eventually demonstrate his prowess handling firearms is dangerous to others. We have an obligation to the customers and ourselves behind the counter to attempt to prevent these inevitable possibilities.
I'm painted with muzzles almost weekly, imagine if every one of those instances were with a loaded firearm instead of the few who couldn't read the sign.
Brownie
Sorry wasn't edited was looking to quote you on this we have many visitors from the UK come here and the first thing alot of them want to do is go to a shooing range since this is something they don't get a chance to do much when they do they present there passports or other Id and go on the range. I have seen this at a couple of ranges here in Orlando.I had some co-workers come to Florida a few months back from the UK and Hong Kong. The one from the UK was a US citizen. The one from HK is a Chinese citizen. I tried to take them shooting and was told my Chinese coworker couldn't shoot because he didn't hold a US or Florida ID.
Anybody know if that it is the law?
I think Gator used to have the sign up on there door, PB Shooting Center and Delray Shooting Center have them posted on their doors, the only two that i havent seen the sign at the door is Liberty Guns in any of their 2 locations.This has been an inconvenience for me especially when I ride to the gun store to buy something. I have to unload my gun and put it in my pocket before I go in. I could ignore the sigh but I don't want to push it. I think Gator Guns on Military Trail in WPB allows concealed carry in their store.
Brownie
That's another pespective I have not considered. I can't imagine working behind the counter and having to put my trust in another armed individual whom I know nothing about. We here take the time to educate ourselves of safe firearm handling but what do other people do.
Mrengles
If you ignore a "no weapons sign" in Florida your not breaking the law. You just have to leave if your asked or your trespassing.
That's another pespective I have not considered. I can't imagine working behind the counter and having to put my trust in another armed individual whom I know nothing about. We here take the time to educate ourselves of safe firearm handling but what do other people do.
Mrengles
If you ignore a "no weapons sign" in Florida your not breaking the law. You just have to leave if your asked or your trespassing.
Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression your trespassing even without being asked to leave.If you ignore a "no weapons sign" in Florida your not breaking the law. You just have to leave if your asked or your trespassing.
NkmG19 is correct, you could be asked to leave and if you did not, they can call the sheriff's office. the S/O would come out and issue you a trespass warning. The trespass warning is good for 1 year and if you violate it, that is when you would be arrested. Other than that, you would have no worries unless you did not leave when instructed by the S/O but that is a whole nother problem.Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression your trespassing even without being asked to leave.
NkmG19 is correct, you could be asked to leave and if you did not, they can call the sheriff's office. the S/O would come out and issue you a trespass warning. The trespass warning is good for 1 year and if you violate it, that is when you would be arrested. Other than that, you would have no worries unless you did not leave when instructed by the S/O but that is a whole nother problem.
I was going to give a similar reply but NK beat me to it.
I highly recommend you look into John Gutmacher's book about the CCW laws pertaining to the state of Florida.If you ignore the sign, that says no concealed carry. Then your braking the law according to the state of Florida.
The gun shop / range has every right to post this sign wether you agree or not. (Think of how many unsafe morons come into the store every day. the last thing they want is a customer or store clerk shot or killed because some looser thought it was okay to point the muzzle in and unsafe direction and pull the trigger.)
Just because people have a CWL does not mean they know how to handle a firearm.
The part I bolded in the quote above is not true. It doesn't matter what the sign says in Florida as long as you are not going into one of the restricted places mentioned in the CCW statutes. Gun shops and ranges are not on that list.
If you are found to have a firearm on you, they can ask you to leave. If you do not leave when asked, and without further question, you are subject to an armed trespass charge.
FLSig
IMHO I go to the gun stores for supplies. If they don't want me to have a loaded gun, then I can respect that. I can carry in the store just not loaded. If SHTF then the clip is not far away. Just my .02
On another note, I am sooooo excited (over exagerated) to have dropped the word "Junior" from my status. Now I am just a member. Look forward to the "Senior" member status...... I think I can, I think I can......
On another note, I am sooooo excited (over exagerated) to have dropped the word "Junior" from my status. Now I am just a member. Look forward to the "Senior" member status...... I think I can, I think I can......
It is also not a requirement for a shop to know whether or not I have my Sig on my side. There are only 2 ways they will know. One is if I am careless and do a horrible job of concealing (my dumbass fault). The other way they will find out is if things go Tango Uniform and my sidearm is needed (shame on the bad guy). That's all. Those are the only options.
Their preferences carry no weight as to when I protect myself. I also don't go to the places I am restricted to carry in. That makes things so much easier. If I am out and about, my pistol is on me. I will never arrive at a situation where something bad has happened and I reach for my sidearm only to find I have voluntarily left it in my vehicle or it has been rendered an expensive club because it is not loaded with one in the chamber.
Thank goodness we live in a relatively free state where we have the choices we do.
FLSig
Their preferences carry no weight as to when I protect myself. I also don't go to the places I am restricted to carry in. That makes things so much easier. If I am out and about, my pistol is on me. I will never arrive at a situation where something bad has happened and I reach for my sidearm only to find I have voluntarily left it in my vehicle or it has been rendered an expensive club because it is not loaded with one in the chamber.
Thank goodness we live in a relatively free state where we have the choices we do.
FLSig
+1,, That has always been my understanding. They can ask me to leave and that is it.I highly recommend you look into John Gutmacher's book about the CCW laws pertaining to the state of Florida.
The part I bolded in the quote above is not true. It doesn't matter what the sign says in Florida as long as you are not going into one of the restricted places mentioned in the CCW statutes. Gun shops and ranges are not on that list.
If you are found to have a firearm on you, they can ask you to leave. If you do not leave when asked, and without further question, you are subject to an armed trespass charge.
FLSig
It's kind of annoying, but I do see some big time morons come to the range for the sole purpose of making a lot of noise. I got in one dude's face the last time I was at the range because the guy couldn't seem to grasp the concept that firearms are to be aimed DOWNRANGE at ALL times.
Moron was reloading by muzzling his neighbor while he figured out how to push the magazine into the grip. There are bulletproof glass dividers between lanes but still:thumbsdwn
I chewed him a new one, and then demonstrated how to safely load his rented firearm.
btw... what's up with the guys unloading birdshot at 3 yrds into a silhouette? There's no skill there.
Moron was reloading by muzzling his neighbor while he figured out how to push the magazine into the grip.
There are bulletproof glass dividers between lanes but still:thumbsdwnI chewed him a new one, and then demonstrated how to safely load his rented firearm.
btw... what's up with the guys unloading birdshot at 3 yrds into a silhouette? There's no skill there.
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