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Speaking before residents in North Central Florida, Ron DeSantis on Friday promised he’d sign “constitutional carry” gun legislation into law before he leaves the governor’s office.
“We used to be the leader on Second Amendment issues,” DeSantis said, noting that 25 other states have already passed “constitutional carry” laws, which allow people to carry handguns without a concealed weapons license or permit.


In Florida, those applications are processed by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, run by Nikki Fried, the only statewide elected Democrat in Florida. “The official in charge of that doesn’t even support the Second Amendment,” DeSantis said during an event in Levy County.


Fried, who is running for governor this year, denounced his comments as “absurd political pandering,” noting that Florida has experienced several of the worst mass shootings in the country.
“It’s an insult to the memories and families of every victim of gun violence,” she said. “We should be passing laws to prevent gun violence and working to fix our state’s affordable housing crisis, not creating chaos to score political points.

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DeSantis is up for re-election this year and is heavily favored to win a second term. But he also appears to be setting the stage for a presidential launch in 2024, reaching out to national audiences with his criticism of the Biden administration, which he called “The Brandon Administration” to laughter from Friday’s crowd outside the Ivy House restaurant in Williston.


And he’s been engaging in a battle with the Walt Disney Corp. for its opposition to his Parental Rights in Education bill, which opponents have dubbed “don’t say gay” and supporters have called an “anti-grooming” bill.


The gun issue is another hot topic with conservatives in the Republican party.
DeSantis said it was “one thing I wanted the Legislature to do” but couldn’t say how or when it would happen, without acknowledging the fact that a “constitutional carry” bill from Rep. Anthony Sabatini, R-Howey-in-the-Hills, died at its first committee stop earlier this year without being heard.


“I can’t say if it will be next week or in six months, but before I’m done as governor” it will be signed into law, DeSantis said.


He has set a special session for the week of May 23 for the Legislature to deal with property insurance reform, but the call doesn’t include “constitutional carry” or any other issues. 
That doesn’t mean he couldn’t, as he showed when he expanded April’s special session on congressional districts to include the dissolution of Disney World’s Reedy Creek Improvement District and eliminating an exemption for Disney from his Big Tech bill.


Florida legislators in 2018 passed one of the nation’s toughest gun control laws, much to the surprise of the National Rifle Association, which has successfully fought such attempts in Florida for decades.


But after the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland — which occurred while the Legislature was in session — lawmakers crafted a bipartisan bill that was signed into law by then-Gov. Rick Scott.


The NRA filed a lawsuit challenging the law’s constitutionality because it raised the legal age to buy a gun from 18 to 21, among other things. A federal judge dismissed that challenge last June.

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All sounds great and I’d be all for it if it didn’t come with the unintended consequences of signage carrying weight of the law. Don’t think you will get one without the other. :cautious:
 
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Florida legislators in 2018 passed one of the nation’s toughest gun control laws, much to the surprise of the National Rifle Association, which has successfully fought such attempts in Florida for decades.


But after the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland — which occurred while the Legislature was in session — lawmakers crafted a bipartisan bill that was signed into law by then-Gov. Rick Scott.

That was not bipartisan. All the Republicans (save one I think) voted yea, all Democrats voted no.
 

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Even though Gov. DeSantis is at odds with "The Rodent," it's not enough. He still has the FRF (Florida Retail Federation) with which to deal which, in essence, is everyone else besides "The Rodent" (i.e. Publix, etc.).

It's not going to happen... and it's certainly not going to happen if Constitutional Carry is tied to OC.
 

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I'm really not in favor of "Constitutional Carry" in Florida or anywhere.
First there might be the signage, where once was a polite request to leave is now suddenly a crime.
Secondly, I think that anyone who is willing to get off their butts, jump through a few hoops and put out some money for a CCW is more likely to take carry seriously and even get some training.
The idea that any yahoo would be able to strap on a fire arm and go strutting around scares me.
Just my unsolicited opinion.
 

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Our plan is to return to Florida when we retire in a few years. So, I’m definitely following this. Personally, I don’t support it. We got it here a year ago and it’s pointless IMHO. Thanks to signage, our freedoms can be curtailed by words on a placard placed by a business. I’d hate to see Florida go down that path. From my standpoint, you guys have it pretty good as it stands.

Plus, as I’ve said, since I travel to several states outside of Texas and Florida, I need my license anyway. So constitutional carry really doesn’t benefit me in any way. I’d rather not see the boat rocked.

Not to mention, once I get back to Florida, I like not having to wait to take my purchase home. Anyone really believe they’ll axe the waiting period because they pass constitutional carry? Too many benefits in keeping my Florida license.

I mean, the real question here is this, is there anyone here that supports constitutional carry who plans to give up their license if this passes? If not, what do you gain if passed? What are the risks to the status quo by supporting it?
 

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As far as I'm concerned, force of law signage is NOT "Constitutional Carry," period. I do not support anything or anyone that brings force of law signage to Florida!
 

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Flame suit is on and zipped up tight.
Except for the red flag laws that are sometimes abused and need to be gone.
I do "NOT" see any purpose to have people that do not go to a range or have a permit and no instruction at all packing a gun.
What we have with the system in Florida worked very well and really did "NOT" need to be fixed.
Ronnie

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It would be nice if we are allowed to carry in any constitutional carry state but we know that will never happen.

This is gonna bite us in the A$$
 

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As far as I'm concerned, force of law signage is NOT "Constitutional Carry," period. I do not support anything or anyone that brings force of law signage to Florida!
^THIS! Most seem to be expressing that they don't want constitutional carry (cc) because it MAY come packaged with an unwanted statutory force of law sign law. I support the ideal and concept of cc, but emphatically separate that from force of law signage. I do not EVER want force of law signage foisted in Florida. I do not want the package, but I do support and want cc.

*Admittedly, passing cc by itself may not be realistic in this state at this time. But never say never.
 

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I think that anyone who is willing to get off their butts, jump through a few hoops and put out some money for a CCW is more likely to take carry seriously and even get some training.
The idea that any yahoo would be able to strap on a fire arm and go strutting around scares me.
Ha! The required CCW course is a joke. It meets a bare minimum "standard." And, it's cheap. I don't consider it much of a hoop. So, I've got news for ya... Any "yahoo" can strap on a firearm and go "strutting around" (some very interesting and telling language there), right now.... with a "license."

My ONLY concern about CC is the compromises, such as signs becoming law. It will make concealed carry WORSE in a practical sense.

Conceptually, of course, I am a Constitutionalist and therefore support the 2A in literal terms. No license should be needed. We don't need a license for the 1st Amendment.... YET. And, when they try that sh*t... that's when we'll NEED the 2nd Amendment.
 

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I do "NOT" see any purpose to have people that do not go to a range or have a permit and no instruction at all packing a gun.
"I do not see any 'purpose' to have people that are not highly-educated with a minimal standard set of vocabulary at all speaking freely."

What's the difference?
 

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Below are the links to find your Florida state senator and representatives.
It's absolutely vital that you contact them and express your thoughts about Constitutional Carry and signage.
Remember to be as articulate and bold as possible while being polite.

Since I am involved in the political process I can say with absolute certainty these people do respond to pressure from their constituents. Better results are obtained by making a phone call and either speaking to staff member or leaving a voice mail combined with sending an email.

Before you make the phone call it is I strongly recommend you write phrases and talking point to use. If you are not comfortable leaving voice mail you should practice as many times as necessary to sound smooth.

The last thing you want is to come across in writing or verbally as an ignorant schmuck ranting about second ammendment rights and government overreach.

It is much more effective to contact your representative and senator than writing on a forum. As my good friend Steve Bannon says Action Action Action






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Below are the links to find your Florida state senator and representatives.
It's absolutely vital that you contact them and express your thoughts about Constitutional Carry and signage.
Remember to be as articulate and bold as possible while being polite.

Since I am involved in the political process I can say with absolute certainty these people do respond to pressure from their constituents. Better results are obtained by making a phone call and either speaking to staff member or leaving a voice mail combined with sending an email.

Before you make the phone call it is I strongly recommend you write phrases and talking point to use. If you are not comfortable leaving voice mail you should practice as many times as necessary to sound smooth.

The last thing you want is to come across in writing or verbally as an ignorant schmuck ranting about second ammendment rights and government overreach.

It is much more effective to contact your representative and senator than writing on a forum. As my good friend Steve Bannon says Action Action Action






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I've never gotten anything more than an obviously canned and AUTOMATIC (bot) response from my representatives.

I still do it, if for no other reason to counter the argument, "Did you contact your representative???" Yes. Yes, I did. Many times. To no avail, of course.

I don't use form letters provided by organizations like the NRA, GOA, SFA, etc. I dare admit that I'm fairly articulate. I am very comfortable and effective at writing my thoughts or even speaking extemporaneously. I've been in front of large audiences. I've been interviewed on camera on national TV without getting the questions beforehand.

What do I get back from my representatives? A bot-generated boilerplate letter.

I WISH I could believe what you say is true. I don't. Not one bit. Yet, I still write to them.
 
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It's a matter of numbers, the more phone calls and emails they receive is a very strong indicator of the the importance the issue is to their constituents. They know that for every call and email there are many more that feel the same way but didn't contact them for various reasons. That is why the number of contacts they receive is important. I assure you each and every one of them has a psychological point at which they seriously reconsider in the position they have if it is at odds with the phone calls and emails they receive. This is an election year and certain issues are hot buttons for the voters put the pressure on these people and let them know how you feel.

One point should be obvious but I will state it anyhow, if you have a representative such as I do that is terribly anti-gun do not, I repeat do not use the word sign or signage in your communication. If they have not thought of tying it to constitutional carry to begin with they might now if they think CC will pass

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I do "NOT" see any purpose to have people that do not go to a range or have a permit and no instruction at all packing a gun.
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"I do not see any 'purpose' to have people that are not highly-educated with a minimal standard set of vocabulary at all speaking freely."

What's the difference?
With the gun, you understand the intent, even if you don't speak the language.
 

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With the gun, you understand the intent, even if you don't speak the language.
I'll admit... you lost me with that one. No clue what that means.
 
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