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Ford Amphitheater & Seminole Hard Rock

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Is it legal to carry at these locations? I didn't see anything in the statutes. I'm not talking about a sign, I'm talking about a statute.

Personally I didn't carry to either of these locations this past Saturday night. Left my rig in the hotel room with my scooter (yes, my scooter goes INSIDE the room). The rum & whiskey was flowing and my shirt was off anyway. Combine that with flip flops and cargo shorts and there's nowhere to put a Glock 23 comfortably. And the casino, well, it's a casino. Regardless, I didn't feel "naked" or anything, I felt beautiful but I'm curious as to the law.

It's doubtful I'll ever carry to a concert (HCSO is everywhere at the Ford Amp) but there may be a time or two that I hit the casino in passing.

Thanks!

PS- I posted this image in another forum but I don't know how much cross traffic there is so I thought I'd post it again; made me think of the FCCer's.

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Wouldnt a casino be considered a "place of nuisance" or is the place of nuisance described in 823.05 illegal gambling halls?
No, since the casino is a LEGAL place to gamble in the State of Florida.
Anyone have any insight into I-75 across Alligator Alley? I know I always obey the speed limit through the Micasukee (sp?) Reservation.
Anyone have any insight into I-75 across Alligator Alley? I know I always obey the speed limit through the Micasukee (sp?) Reservation.
Public roads through the reservation are not tribal property.
Y..M..C..A man on scooter, shirt off, feels beautiful...oh boy..got a live one...:eek:
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Before moving at the first of this year, I lived in Tampa for the previous 8 years.

The Seminole Hard Rock Casino and Hotel is on Seminole Indian land and is governed by their own sovereign land laws (there are actually signs on the property stating this -- I believe even in the parking garages/near the elevators). IMO, DO NOT carry there, as your State of Florida CCW license would probably be of no concern to them.

The Ford Amphitheater, depending on the actual concert, will do pat downs and/or metal detector wands -- I've gone through them both before.

The Ford Amphitheater is run privately by LiveNation, but is located on The Florida State Fairgrounds, which is state-owned.

http://www.floridastatefair.com/fair-authority states "The Florida State Fair Authority operates under the direction of the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Agriculture Commissioner Charles H. Bronson leads the Authority, which oversees the Florida State Fairgrounds and the annual Florida State Fair."

And guess whose names are on my CCW license (yep, Bronson and the DOACS).

I've seen signs at the gate that say no weapons (with pictures) and as you are walking up to the entrance areas, so I'd expect that they'd tell you to leave. And if you didn't, then one of the MANY Hillsborough deputies would be willing to have a conversation with you or just take you up the street to the Orient Road Jail for trespassing. :thumbsdwn

Since Florida doesn't have a "legal signage" statute that would carry weight to any of these, it would basically be them kicking you out, unless you resisted and then could be arrested.

Remember, this is the same Florida State Fairgrounds where the gun shows are held.

The following is from FSS 709.06(12) stating where you cannot carry:
"any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose"

With them having so many beer and alcohol sales areas, I'd guess the only place inside the venue where you WOULDN'T violate the above would be in the PIT/FLOOR area since I don't remember any one walking around selling alcohol there. However, there are a few beer stands up on the lawn and there are servers walking around the VIP areas in the reserved seats.

The "primarily devoted to such purpose" would also come into play, since you're there primarily for a concert.

Just be glad you can take your camera, mini lawn chair, a bottle of water and some snacks in there :)
Thanks for the info. Def Leppard/Poison/Cheap Trick this past Friday was my fifth concert that I've had my Kel-Tec on me. Pocket carry makes it quite easy to carry, even with security; Crue Fest at the end of the month will be the sixth. So far, so good. If I hit the casino after, it stays in my pocket - completely unnoticeable. If for some strange reason it is detected at either venue, I will gladly comply with their instructions.
FYI...
Florida Statute 285.16 Civil and criminal jurisdiction; Indian reservation.--

(1) The State of Florida hereby assumes jurisdiction over criminal offenses committed by or against Indians or other persons within Indian reservations and over civil causes of actions between Indians or other persons or to which Indians or other persons are parties rising within Indian reservations.

(2) The civil and criminal laws of Florida shall obtain on all Indian reservations in this state and shall be enforced in the same manner as elsewhere throughout the state.

CWL carrying is LEGAL.
For one: This thread is like 8 months old.

Two: I work security at the casino, they will allow outside LEOs to wear their guns in the casino, but anyone else we would escort you off the grounds and as anywhere else have you trespassed with a weapon if you disagreed. Generally the security and cops on the property are pretty cool tho. I consider it a place of nuisance anyways (nkg we need a dunno smiley lol)
So what I'm gathering then is, Florida CWFLs are ok on Indian land, but since the casino is private property, they have the right to ask you to leave. That about it?

I'm more concerned about this venue in the county park. Haven't we established somewhere that a lessor, in this case Hillsborough County, cannot convey rights to a lessee that they, themselves do not have?
Casino is a legal business.... the Bars are bars and the hotel is a hotel Indian law applies to Indians.

823.05 1
(1) Whoever shall erect, establish, continue, or maintain, own or lease any building, booth, tent or place which tends to annoy the community or injure the health of the community, or become manifestly injurious to the morals or manners of the people as described in s. 823.01, or any house or place of prostitution, assignation, lewdness or place or building where games of chance are engaged in violation of law or any place where any law of the state is violated, shall be deemed guilty of maintaining a nuisance, and the building, erection, place, tent or booth and the furniture, fixtures, and contents are declared a nuisance. All such places or persons shall be abated or enjoined as provided in ss. 60.05 and 60.06.
The casino is legal.
Casino is a legal business.... the Bars are bars and the hotel is a hotel Indian law applies to Indians.

The casino is legal.
I think he was trying to be funny!



[Disclaimer: Yes, I know that this is an ancient thread]
Casino is a legal business.... the Bars are bars and the hotel is a hotel Indian law applies to Indians.

The casino is legal.
Well just letting you know how you will be handled if you are found carrying on the property.

But thanks for the clarification of nuisance :drinks
Well just letting you know how you will be handled if you are found carrying on the property.

But thanks for the clarification of nuisance :drinks
I conceal well so you wouldn't know :thumsup

I do feel for you I used to have to babysit drunks :drinks
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