[MZA119]

Is it legal to carry at these locations? I didn't see anything in the statutes. I'm not talking about a sign, I'm talking about a statute.

Personally I didn't carry to either of these locations this past Saturday night. Left my rig in the hotel room with my scooter (yes, my scooter goes INSIDE the room). The rum & whiskey was flowing and my shirt was off anyway. Combine that with flip flops and cargo shorts and there's nowhere to put a Glock 23 comfortably. And the casino, well, it's a casino. Regardless, I didn't feel "naked" or anything, I felt beautiful but I'm curious as to the law.

It's doubtful I'll ever carry to a concert (HCSO is everywhere at the Ford Amp) but there may be a time or two that I hit the casino in passing.

Thanks!

PS- I posted this image in another forum but I don't know how much cross traffic there is so I thought I'd post it again; made me think of the FCCer's.

 

[SwampRat]

Personally I didn't carry to either of these locations this past Saturday night. Left my rig in the hotel room with my scooter (yes, my scooter goes INSIDE the room). The rum & whiskey was flowing and my shirt was off anyway. Combine that with flip flops and cargo shorts and there's nowhere to put a Glock 23 comfortably. And the casino, well, it's a casino. Regardless, I didn't feel "naked" or anything, I felt beautiful

Y..M..C..A man on scooter, shirt off, feels beautiful...oh boy..got a live one...

 

[MZA119]

I shoulda known...

Now, how 'bout an answer?

 

[Steve48]

If those places are bars, you can't carry. I don't think they would qualify as any of the other forbidden places, so if they aren't bars, you can.

 

[MZA119]

They're not. There are bars inside the Hard Rock so I'm sure those portions would be off limits. Not sure how the hot dog cart-style mini bars would classify. There's also a nightclub inside that has a bar attached. Is a dance club allowed so long as you don't go to the bar area? It would seem so.

And I'm surprised that firearms are allowed at concerts but not sporting events. Strange.

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

The Hardrock is on 'Indian' land, yes?

Where is the Ford Theatre located? Not familiar with Hernando County. I will say that I've carried at concerts here in Jax at the Arena. Not illegal

 

[MZA119]

Hard Rock, Indian, yes.

Ford Amp is in Hillsborough.

It seems to me that both are legal venues.

 

[Steve48]

Hard Rock, Indian, yes.

Oops. Florida statutes might not apply there. Proceed with much caution.

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Hard Rock, Indian, yes.

Ford Amp is in Hillsborough.

It seems to me that both are legal venues.

Ooops....sorry was thinking about something else.

I'd carry at the theater (barring metal detectors).

I wouldn't carry at the HardRock....Tribal Law is different from State Law, and I don't know it, except to say that concealed carry licenses mean diddly on tribal land without their permission (that's what I remember, anyway, growing up around Miccosoukee territory).

 

[MZA119]

I'd be interested to know how that works. guess I'll do some research.

 

[capngeo]

Y..M..C..A man on scooter, shirt off, feels beautiful...oh boy..got a live one...

Snicker, snicker, giggle, giggle:rolf

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Sorry I can't help more, MZA...just been too durn long. Haven't been near tribal land in well over 20 years.

 

[GlockComa]

I feel like I joined someone else's snipe hunt...........

but if it IS real - I can't find anything on 'Indian gun law' or anything simliar to that for that matter, that overrides state..

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Indian Nations operate with a certain degree of sovereignty under Federal regs, not State. They have their own governments and law enforcement entities. I don't remember all the legalese as it's just been to long since I had to deal with it. How do you think they can operate casinos when gambling, per se, is illegal in FL?

Trust me, you don't want a run-in with tribal police, especially concerning weapons they don't know about.

If you truly are interested in researching the issue, Handgunlaw.us is a great resource...here's a blurb under their 'Federal Restrictions' section...they also have a link at the top of the page for Indian Nations.

Federal Restrictions (copied from Handgunlaw.us):

1. Federal Courthouses*

2. Federal Buildings*

3. Any Building Owed, Leased or Rented by the Federal Government. This includes buildings in National Forests that are property of the Federal Government. There is no Federal Law that prohibits carry in National Forests. States control the carrying of firearms in National Forests in their state.

4. Federal Prisons*

5. National Parks* (to be changed as of Jan 9, 2009, iirc)

6. U.S. Army Corp of Engineers* The Corp builds and runs flood control and navigation Dams. The Dam and grounds around the dam are Federal Property. Many State Parks are found around the Lakes and rivers Corps Dams form. The boundary between Corp Property and State Property is not clearly marked. There are also boundary lines in the lake between State and Federal waters. It is up to you to know these boundaries.

7. National Cemeteries*

8. Military Bases (Carry not allowed but some have shooting clubs. You can take firearms onto the Base to shoot. Check at each Military Post for specific rules on Shooting Clubs)

9. Rented Offices, Any part of any building that the Federal Government has rented for Office space or work force etc. Just their offices or the part of the building they have control over. You can carry in the rest of the building if state or local laws allow.

10. **Designated Federal Entity* – As listed below. These Agencies are a dark area in Federal Law that I can not find any information about their Offices/Buildings/Parking Lots and if they are covered under the same laws as Federal Buildings. I have found in their Rules and Regulations that firearms are not permitted on their premises. So they all have their own Regulations about carrying on their premises.

11. Amtrak* Amtrak has its own rules that state: Items not allowed in Carry On or Checked Baggage,. Any type of gun, firearm, ammunition, explosives, or weapon. Large, sharp objects such as axes, ice picks and swords. Corrosive or dangerous chemicals such as tear gas, mace,

12. Post Office?* Each states law is different. In some states, Post Office carry is restricted by the state, in others it’s not. If it’s not restricted by the state, Title 18, United States Code, Sec. 930 applies. (See Post Office at bottom of page.)

13. Bureau of Land Management* If you can legally carry in the state the BLM land is in you can carry on the BLM land. If it is not legal the area will most likely be posted as no firearms allowed. Any building on the BLM land operated by the federal government is considered federal property and carry in those buildings is not allowed.

14. Indian Reservations Carry on Indian property is controlled by Tribal Law. You must check with each tribe before carrying on their property. Some Indian Tribes consider federal and state highways through their property as under their control. There is a link to the Indian Nations on Handgunlaw.us. Look at the header on any of the main pages at Handgunlaw.us and moving your mouse pointer over Indian Nations will give you seven different links to check on tribal law.

 

[NolesFan]

Before moving at the first of this year, I lived in Tampa for the previous 8 years.

The Seminole Hard Rock Casino and Hotel is on Seminole Indian land and is governed by their own sovereign land laws (there are actually signs on the property stating this -- I believe even in the parking garages/near the elevators). IMO, DO NOT carry there, as your State of Florida CCW license would probably be of no concern to them.

The Ford Amphitheater, depending on the actual concert, will do pat downs and/or metal detector wands -- I've gone through them both before.

The Ford Amphitheater is run privately by LiveNation, but is located on The Florida State Fairgrounds, which is state-owned.

http://www.floridastatefair.com/fair-authority states "The Florida State Fair Authority operates under the direction of the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. Agriculture Commissioner Charles H. Bronson leads the Authority, which oversees the Florida State Fairgrounds and the annual Florida State Fair."

And guess whose names are on my CCW license (yep, Bronson and the DOACS).

I've seen signs at the gate that say no weapons (with pictures) and as you are walking up to the entrance areas, so I'd expect that they'd tell you to leave. And if you didn't, then one of the MANY Hillsborough deputies would be willing to have a conversation with you or just take you up the street to the Orient Road Jail for trespassing. :thumbsdwn

Since Florida doesn't have a "legal signage" statute that would carry weight to any of these, it would basically be them kicking you out, unless you resisted and then could be arrested.

Remember, this is the same Florida State Fairgrounds where the gun shows are held.

The following is from FSS 709.06(12) stating where you cannot carry:
"any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose"

With them having so many beer and alcohol sales areas, I'd guess the only place inside the venue where you WOULDN'T violate the above would be in the PIT/FLOOR area since I don't remember any one walking around selling alcohol there. However, there are a few beer stands up on the lawn and there are servers walking around the VIP areas in the reserved seats.

The "primarily devoted to such purpose" would also come into play, since you're there primarily for a concert.

Just be glad you can take your camera, mini lawn chair, a bottle of water and some snacks in there

 

[MattB.]

Wouldnt a casino be considered a "place of nuisance" or is the place of nuisance described in 823.05 illegal gambling halls?

 

[FLRon]

When I was visiting the Hard Rock in Broward County for some concerts a couple of months back I spoke with some security guys regarding CCW at the concert venue and on Hard Rock Hotel & Casino property.

They informed me that they (Reservation Police) definitely enforce a no gun policy on reservation land in general, and The Hard Rock in particular. They mentioned that if the person carrying is LE, they will ask them to secure the gun in their vehicle. If it is not LE, they will ask them to leave Indian property. If any difficulty with non-compliance to their demands, they will arrest.

 

[Rvrctyrngr]

Wouldnt a casino be considered a "place of nuisance" or is the place of nuisance described in 823.05 illegal gambling halls?

A legitimate bidness is not a place of nuisance.

 

[deadeyedick]

If you want to carry on Indian land, then you need to bring some friends...

 

[FL Devil Dog]

The Hardrock is on 'Indian' land, yes?

Where is the Ford Theatre located? Not familiar with Hernando County. I will say that I've carried at concerts here in Jax at the Arena. Not illegal

I asked Seminole police one day. They said no to ccw in the casino. Not certain about walking around outside on Tribal land.