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Flexible Weapons--Neck Whips and belts

The Neck-Whip™ has the appearance of an elegantly braided leather necklace. But as with most things looks are deceiving. The Neck-Whips™ unique fastening system allows for rapid deployment in times of need. Constructed of 4 plaits of kangaroo leather over a latigo core the neck whip is both pliable and incredibly strong. It can be carried with you everywhere you go; it is inconspicuous but always ready. With some practice it can become a very effective self-defense tool.

The evolution of the Neck-Whip™ was a natural part of the flexible weapons curriculum developed and taught by Scott C. Homschek. He teaches the use of flexible weapons to block, trap, strike, ensnare and incapacitate an assailant.

While striking with a traditional whip can incapacitate an attacker; a Neck-Whip™ simply does not have enough mass to deliver a blow with enough force to completely stop an attacker. The purpose of a Neck-Whip™ for striking is to provide for a momentary distraction allowing for: escape, better positioning, and/or accessing another weapon. A strike that connects with the eyes of the assailant will potentially cause blindness and allow for escape.

When using the Neck-Whip™ to block, trap or choke the user will find the mechanical leverage created is much greater than that of the empty hand. A small amount of force applied to one or both ends of the neck whip will result in a significant amount of force being brought to bear on the attacker. This is especially true when the flexible weapon is used to trap limbs to immobilize an attacker.

As with any weapons training, it is strongly encouraged that safety be taken seriously. When working with a partner use solid braided nylon rope (3/8" - 5/8" thick) to prevent abrasive injuries. It is strongly advised that all participants use safety glasses when practicing flexible weapons techniques or developing their skills with the Neck-Whip™. Just as we use training knives to practice our blade skills with a partner, a relatively thick non-abrasive rope is critical to practice the Neck-Whip™ techniques with a partner.

Single Neck Whip (this is the standard model)
Is composed of a single core of 1/8" thick latigo with 4 plait kangaroo braiding cover. Finished thickness is approximately 3/16'' thick. Standard length is 36" of braiding with 6" latigo tail. Custom lengths are available. Available in black, dark brown, saddle (orange-brown), natural or a combination of two. Conceals easily under t-shirts and dress shirts.

Double Neck Whip
Is composed of a double core of 1/8" thick latigo with 4 plait kangaroo braiding cover. Finished thickness is approximately 1/4'' thick. Standard length is 36" of braiding with 6" latigo tail. Custom lengths are available. Available in black, dark brown, saddle (orange-brown), natural or a combination of two. A little heavier than a single - somewhat noticeable under a t-shirt or dress shirt.

Heavy Double Neck Whip
Is composed of a double core of 1/8" thick latigo with 8 plait kangaroo braiding cover. Finished thickness is approximately 5/16'' thick. Standard length is 36" of braiding with 6" latigo tail. Custom lengths are available. Available in black, dark brown, saddle (orange-brown), natural or a combination of two or four. Substantially heavier than a single - definitely noticeable under a t-shirt or dress shirt.
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The idea behind Scott developing these [ and hand making them ], was to have a small bullwhip with you around your neck [ thats where I where mine when I take them out ], in your pocket, etc.

If one knows the art of the bullwhip well enough, one could then use these in a similair manner. Striking techniques with the end of the neckwhip [ the end [ popper ] breaks the sound barrier easily like a bullwhip ]. It's moving very fast. If you can put the strike where you want it, you could pluck eyes out, open the skin up wherever you strike like the neck, face area etc.

When I trained with Scott Homschek out at Keatings Riddle of Steel on the Snake River a few years ago, he has us tapping small styrofome blocks out of the air with them. Most could hit it ocassionally, the others who had some whip practice could reliably snap them in mid air at will most of the time.

A man who knows how to use a bullwhip real well, understands the dynamics involved, puts the time in with them to be "good" with one [ and it takes some long hours on this tool to get there ], would be quite capable of putting a hurt on one or more people as long as it started within that weapons ranges.

I had a "pocket bull" professionally made for me some years back after getting the neckwhips. It's 4 feet long with the popper. It can be carried in a cargo pockets pair of pants coils and accessable quickly, it can be carried around the neck hidden under a loose shirt, the ball at the handle tucked into the waist where it can be drawn with ease.

Scott also had the idea behind these that they could be used defensively after seeing Jim Keating using a bandana to defend against a knife. Not snapping/popping it at the aggressor but one end in each hand to tie up the arm/forearm/hand thats inbound. Some of the wraps and throws Jim is capable of with a bandana are to be seen to be believed. Someone would be hard pressed to get inside that simple yet effective defense with Keating using it.

So he had a few ideas in mind as to how this could be used defensively when he made the neckwhips. I could envision being on a plane and getting the opportunity to take some BG by surprise from behind [ perhaps as he walks down the aisle ], wrap that solid piece of leather braid around his neck and have it broken in short order. Thats just one of many scenarios one could find a potential use for it IMO.

It's there if you need it in certain circumstances, doesn't weight enough to even notice you are wearing it, coils up small enough to put it into a pocket and it's more having something when nothing else will get past scrutiny. The original Scott made me at the Riddle could be said to be a gift from a son or daughter [ in my case a grandson or daughter ] who made it in arts and crafts as a necklace.

I don't practice enough with it in the last year, but rereading this thread will get me back to the backyard and moving it around some.

Here's a few pics of the neck whips

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Another flexible weapon-

Belts can be very effective "flexible weapons"

I've had this belt from James Piorek of Bladerigger that holds a titanium braided cord with finger loops on each end that can be accessed without removing the belt. Unfortunately, I can't fly with that one, xray would pick up the braided cord and scare the hell out of TSA agents. :rolleyes:

James recently sold his Bladerigger business http://www.bladerigger.com/ to someone else. I had him make me a Bamboo Kwaiken blade system years ago that's superb as well.

Anyone into flexible weapons systems training? :)

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Pocket Bullwhip

I had this pocket bullwhip made for me several years ago. It can be carried in a cargo pocket on the side of your leg coiled up without being noticed. It's 4 feet long.

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I've had very limited training with a sarong from Tuhon Ray Dionaldo's FCS Kali system. Some of the techniques can be seen at various points in the following clip:


Sayoc Kali, in which Ray Dionaldo has his Tuhon ranking, also teaches the use of a whip, which can be seen in various Sayoc Kali training videos.

Here is another video clip of another guy with flexible weapons that has some interesting stuff:


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Dang brownie.

Is there anything you don't use for a weapon? :D
 

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Dang brownie.

Is there anything you don't use for a weapon? :D
Everything can be used as a weapon. Un-conventionals are good to know how to use. Flexibles are not something many people consider in their daily lives. :drinks

Cthulhu,

Ray Dionaldo is on my short list of "want to train with" people. If you've trained with Ray, you are one lucky man sir. :thumsup

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I usually wear a web belt with slider buckle [remember those from your military days?]to hold up my pants. As a lot of men do nowadays, I have a leatherman tool in a pouch on the belt. In situations where more traditional arms are not allowed, the belt makes a fair weapon. The buckle and metal tab can cause reasonable discomfort when used as a whip. The belt also serves well as a blocking tool and entanglement tool. Add the leatherman and pouch, snugged down by looping the belt through the buckle and you now have a serviceable flail. It is not the quickest weapon to deploy, but it can be effective.

Oops, now we are in for belt control. Next it will be shoelace regulation and then the outright ban on one of the deadliest weapons in the world, the lady's pump with four inch stiletto heel. Will the insanity never cease?

Seriously, virtually anything can be utilized as a weapon. Anything. It all depends on the human component in the weapon system.
 

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Cthulhu,

Ray Dionaldo is on my short list of "want to train with" people. If you've trained with Ray, you are one lucky man sir. :thumsup

Brownie
Two of my instructors are certified instructors in Tuhon Ray's FCS Kali, and I've trained with another instructor under Tuhon Ray as well. I used to go to the Gatherings, but haven't been for some time. Lots of great training and a nice place to meet interesting people from all over.

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On another thread, Brownie mentioned "neck whip". Since I wasn't familiar with this, I performed a Google search which brought me right back to our great forum! I had never seen this post...but damn interesting and great videos posted.
 

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Ya, it's hard to imagine it's been a year and a half since the last post on this thread. Then again, not many people understand the advantages of some flexible weapons training. Bet some here can remember snapping towels in gym right? That's just one way to use the neck whip, but I prefer to use it to trap and as a garrote.
 

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Ya, it's hard to imagine it's been a year and a half since the last post on this thread. Then again, not many people understand the advantages of some flexible weapons training. Bet some here can remember snapping towels in gym right? That's just one way to use the neck whip, but I prefer to use it to trap and as a garrote.
Any sites you can recommend for purchasing a neck whip?
 

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this stuff just makes my blood run...i have been toying with eskrima just a tad and want to learn how to handle it...but this is great stuff as it can be carried anywhere and can be a very effective weapon...i like it!...
 

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A belt probably makes a good weapon, but if I use it my gun will fall on the ground.
You wouldn't likely be using the belt as a flexible weapon until the gun was emptied and you ran out of spare mags, a BUG had been used, your knife wasn't immeidately retrievable from someone's chest for some reason. Then and only then would you be using your belt UNLESS you were flying [ or any number of reasons ] and didn't have your normal EDC's on you. :thumsup
 

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As I recall, certain people on this forum *might* travel with a neck whip on while flying to various training classes. How does that show up on the scanners? Would you try to remove this and pop it in your shoe instead of having it on your body?

I know I have first hand experience in taking the infamous 'Stick-o-death' on flights and nothing has ever been said...though that is in carry on luggage (one in case I get asked about the one I carry) and through the metal detector, I've not had to be scanned in the new devices.

Side note, I was swabbed during my Thanksgiving day trip and was not flagged. This kind of troubled me since the bag I was carrying was in fact, my range bag, which I know still had some gun powder residue from firing or the gun powder from reloads! ( My Girlfriend had packed my carry on for me and instead of my gym bag...had grabbed my range bag! I didn't have a choice on going back to swap it out by the time I found out!)
 

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Thanks for bumping...I hadn't gotten to this one yet. Veddy Interrresting! :grin
 

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How this is extremely interesting. Just to have under the belt you know. Def somthing to get some knowledge in.
Btw the link from earlier on where to purchase did not work for me.

Thanks for the bump
 
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