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How school has changed. I am trying to imagine what would have happened to a student during my high school years that would have tried to get into a teachers face as that student did.
 

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Amazing..... this kid got exactly what he needed.

I really do feel that high school students get entirely too aggressive in school (towards teachers) and have no consequence for it beside being suspended (witch is usually a desired vacation, or at least it was for me when i was being a "bad ass" in school). Sad part is students that act aggressive towards teachers usually have been aggressive towards their parents/guardian for some time. Sad but true.
 

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The male student was 'standing in her aura,' which to me is suffocating enough, and seemingly posed a threat.
What the teacher did in turn was react in defense, thus taking control from that point on. :clap
 

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How school has changed. I am trying to imagine what would have happened to a student during my high school years that would have tried to get into a teachers face as that student did.
The hardest part to imagine when we were coming up would be anybody actually doing something like that. I suspect if something like that did happen my parents would have dealt with me VERY severely and deservedly so -- and then left the remnants for the school principal to deal with.

I seem to recall that our parents didn't abdicate parenting to the schools or the federal government.
 

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Amazing..... this kid got exactly what he needed.

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i disagree...i think he should have gotten his clock cleaned and beaten to a pulp or his neck snapped the moment he backed her into the corner and used his body to contain her...keeping his hands low at his sides was his way of making sure he didnt touch her to keep himself out of trouble...probably thought when he got hit he was gonna have a pretty nice little lawsuit on his hands...now he has to explain to his friends how he got popped by a teacher while being a smartass and nothing came of it...if he was my kid i would finish what the teacher started and make him apologize on his knees in front of the entire school...

i have zero tolerance for this : censored today...
 

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The teacher was well within her legal right to do what she did ...

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force.
Though her adversary was younger than she, he was still larger than she was, and was in the process of "imminent use of unlawful force" by backing her into the door/wall while screaming threats into her face.

Even though by law she had a right to stand her ground she warned him verbally to get back, she took every opportunity to avoid the conflict by backing away, until she had no where else to go, then she used what force was necessary to defend herself.

She ought to sue the little : censored, and his parents, for a figure with a big number in the front followed by a lot of zeros, to send a message to all of the other little : censored that this type of conduct will not be tolerated and that their actions do have consequences.
 

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How school has changed. I am trying to imagine what would have happened to a student during my high school years that would have tried to get into a teachers face as that student did.
I don't recall EVER even thinking of becoming aggressive or threatening to a teacher or administrator. I also, don't recall ever seeing or hearing of another student doing so.

Mind you, that was over 25 years ago, every boy carried a Buck knife (small rural town) and many carried shotguns, rifles, and/or bows in the rear windows of their pickup truck.

No one ever got shot. No one ever got stuck. I recall the occasional disagreement, sometimes ending with a bloody nose. I think the worst thing I recall was it was really bad to own a VW Bettle. The football team had a fetish for "relocating" them. :laughing

Honestly, I'm killing myself to finish up credentials to teach on the college level. I could teach public schools now. I won't. Here's why. :banghead
 

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It's not that bad out there... I'm a 22 year high school teacher, including inner-city Jax. and rural country, and have never had a confrontation. Let me change that... I've never had such an incident. Why? There's a way to handle situations before they build to that level; ways to disarm the kids before the breaking point. There ARE some bad eggs out there, for sure; don't get me wrong. Not saying I've been lucky either. There's just a way to handle things before they get to that level. Neither am I saying she acted inappropriately under those circumstances. Dude was threatening, and that was self defense. Maybe it's because a truly love my job and have learned how to disarm such situations before they build to that level of confrontation. Not bragging, mind you; just stating as a matter of fact based on my own personal experience. I have indeed heard my share of horror stories, though. Some bad ones too. I pray I finish out my last 9 years with similar fortune...
 

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It's not that bad out there... I'm a 22 year high school teacher, including inner-city Jax. and rural country, and have never had a confrontation. Let me change that... I've never had such an incident. Why? There's a way to handle situations before they build to that level; ways to disarm the kids before the breaking point. There ARE some bad eggs out there, for sure; don't get me wrong. Not saying I've been lucky either. There's just a way to handle things before they get to that level. Neither am I saying she acted inappropriately under those circumstances. Dude was threatening, and that was self defense. Maybe it's because a truly love my job and have learned how to disarm such situations before they build to that level of confrontation. Not bragging, mind you; just stating as a matter of fact based on my own personal experience. I have indeed heard my share of horror stories, though. Some bad ones too. I pray I finish out my last 9 years with similar fortune...
Dabo, in addition to being a good teacher that enjoys what he does, you seem to possess personality traits needed to be a good disciplinary. Not every individual that would be good at teaching will have the various personality traits needed to maintain proper order in a classroom.

It’s been many years since I was in school but I recall various types of personalities that yielded similar overall results. You had the kind and thoughtful teachers that everyone loved and wanted to please. We (the other students) took care of making sure no one abused that teacher. You had those that inspired respect and were just as respectful of the students; they gave us enough rope to practice our individuality with full knowledge that straying into forbidden zones would have serious consequences. You also had the teachers that we just feared. Most inspired that fear without ever doing anything to prove they would be dangerous if trampled over, you could just feel they were capable of it. Very few, if any, had a history that proved that fear to be founded. All achieved a similar result by capitalizing on personality traits they possessed. Then there were those other many could have learned a lot from but they were not able to maintain order long enough to show anyone. Other kids just ran over them and took control of their environment, that meant none of us learned a thing from those poor teachers.

The main difference between today and then is not that kids are different, what is different is what teachers and parents can do to children that violate society’s code of conduct. When society punishes a parent that spanked (not child abuse) a child for either doing something dangerous or misbehaving you’ve tied the hands of those responsible to ensure that their offspring don’t pose a danger to themselves, other children, teachers and others.

Not once did I have the need to raise a hand to our two boys as they were growing up, but that was only because due to their personalities we had other means at our disposal that would generate results (same or worse) similar to a spanking. Not all children are the same. For example, our youngest had to be deprived of things he liked/ enjoyed in order to punish unacceptable behavior. No such thing was needed for the middle child, all you had to do was sit him down and explain how he had violated your trust on him and how disappointed you were; that would result in endless hours of tears worse than any spanking would have produced. He just couldn’t deal with the thought he had hurt us in any way. That wouldn’t have worked with either of our bookends, they were more selfish. Disciplinary actions were tailored to fit the child’s personality where it was most efficient. The oldest (girl) and most difficult of the three was hit once. She had the ability to drive a saint mad (and I’m no saint). We were just as big on rewards for desired and acceptable behavior, often to the theatrical point. It was enjoyable to all and they learned to seek it as often as they could. Were they perfect? Far from it! Nonetheless, today they are all responsible and productive adults, one of the three with a family of her own. In spite all the names she called us growing up she is doing the same thing with her own children and often mentioning that her worse fears are becoming a reality, she’s turned into me. Now, of course, she's terrified that her kids would be like her. :grin

With no (or mild and not fitting to the child’s personality) consequences for unacceptable behavior from parents or teachers we will be raising wolves that prey on the real or perceived weakness of others to attain their own selfish goals. Few of us are naturally not selfish; we learn from our parents and others that it is unacceptable behavior and learn to suppress it once we learn that it is wrong. We only learn that when someone bothers to teach us the bigger picture in life.

I’m afraid that if we continue on this road even people like you would be in serious danger. You would stand alone in the cold the second you attempt to exercise any control over the ones that receive no guidance in their homes. Regardless how hard you try it will have no effect if it is not reinforced at home and backed by the system you must operate under.

I wish you luck in maintaining what you have accomplished so far, don't take it for granted.
 

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Is she not in a position of authority? If a person of authority gives you a command — in this case, the order to back up — and you purposely disobey that order, then there should be consequences. If he went against her order to back up, what else is he capable of doing? I think she did exactly what she felt she needed to do in that situation. :thumsup
 

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The teacher was well within her legal right to do what she did ...
She ought to sue the little : censored, and his parents, for a figure with a big number in the front followed by a lot of zeros, to send a message to all of the other little : censored that this type of conduct will not be tolerated and that their actions do have consequences.
I'm with you 100% here. Turn the tides and sue the kid and his parents for the kid's behavior. Only then will parents think twice about letting their kids behave like that.
 

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Can’t she bring assault charges against the student? If it was determined she acted in self-defense, then that means she was under attack (which she was).
 

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Can’t she bring assault charges against the student? If it was determined she acted in self-defense, then that means she was under attack (which she was).
Would you want your employee suing students? She might have the right to sue and win the case, but chances are she will be out of a job in the next year if she does for something like "poor performance".

Also what are you going to sue a high school student for? Most students don't own a single thing or work for minimum wage if they work at all.
 

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Would you want your employee suing students? She might have the right to sue and win the case, but chances are she will be out of a job in the next year if she does for something like "poor performance".

Also what are you going to sue a high school student for? Most students don't own a single thing or work for minimum wage if they work at all.
I’m not talking about a civil suit, I’m talking criminal charges.

If I were in her place it wouldn’t be money I seek. I would be seeking for the law to back my right to self-defense and thus sending a message to the other students that they would be prosecuted should they attempt something similar in the future.
 

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I working in the teaching field (only with persons with developmental disabilities) and 100% of places i work for have me sign a policy saying that i can not sue or press charges even if I am attacked, injured or die. I know it is slightly different in my field but im sure most schools have some similar policy.

Hopefully the teacher not having charges pressed on her will teach the students enough of a lesson.
 

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I working in the teaching field (only with persons with developmental disabilities) and 100% of places i work for have me sign a policy saying that i can not sue or press charges even if I am attacked, injured or die. I know it is slightly different in my field but im sure most schools have some similar policy.

Hopefully the teacher not having charges pressed on her will teach the students enough of a lesson.
I'm sorry, D-Unit121, but the kids in the OP learned absolutely nothing by the teacher not being charged. Unless charges are brought against them, the only thing they learned is that they can get away with doing the same to others. No charges = no consequences. More often than not, no consequences = no lesson learned.

Working with children that have developmental/ learning disabilities would be a different case. Even into adulthood they might not be able to stand trial and be convicted, depending on the severity of their disability. That isn’t the case with otherwise healthy individuals.

Just because I like to read things cover to cover, I would be tempted to re-read that policy (just out of curiosity). Have you agreed to not press charges against the school if you’re injured or attacked or are have you agreed to not bring charges against anyone if you were to be injured or attacked by anyone during working hours? As respect suing anyone other than your employers, did your family have to sign as well? If not, can they legally enforce the agreement they have with you on your family? I’m not a lawyer, so I’m just asking. It would not be you suing if you are dead, it would be them.
 

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I'm sorry, D-Unit121, but the kids in the OP learned absolutely nothing by the teacher not being charged. Unless charges are brought against them, the only thing they learned is that they can get away with doing the same to others. No charges = no consequences. More often than not, no consequences = no lesson learned.

Working with children that have developmental/ learning disabilities would be a different case. Even into adulthood they might not be able to stand trial and be convicted, depending on the severity of their disability. That isn’t the case with otherwise healthy individuals.

Just because I like to read things cover to cover, I would be tempted to re-read that policy (just out of curiosity). Have you agreed to not press charges against the school if you’re injured or attacked or are have you agreed to not bring charges against anyone if you were to be injured or attacked by anyone during working hours? As respect suing anyone other than your employers, did your family have to sign as well? If not, can they legally enforce the agreement they have with you on your family? I’m not a lawyer, so I’m just asking. It would not be you suing if you are dead, it would be them.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this subject. I have nothing really else to say about that.

I agree, it is very different even with adults when it comes to disabilities. My agencies policies say that I can not bring charges against anyone that I work with, including the agencies. (beside other employees) If i was to get hurt on the job all of my medical bills are covered and I receive full pay until I am able to return to work. I am not 100% sure about the whole family matter if I am no longer around, but I would assume that is covered too. I should re-read it though.
 

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I would have prefered she got him with a palm heel to the nose and a knee to the groin or pelvis ! Kevin
 
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